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[edit] Article lacks sources

Could I make a plea for interested editors to provide some proper sources for this article soon? We are about to hit the one year anniversary of the article being tagged as unreferenced. There is a lot of what appears to be original research in this article, alongside the good material. Without sources, this article could legitimately be reduced to a stub. Thanks, Gwernol 10:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The term Superbike is a word that is trademarked solely by Ducati Motor Holding, but due to the popularity of the motorcycles in this segment, the super bike term has been generally adopted to describe all bike (regardless of manufacturer) in this classification.[citation needed]

I have removed this (ridiculous) assertion that Ducati somehow has an exclusive trademark on the term "Superbike". A simple search of publicly available worldwide trademark databases will quickly demonstrate that this term is not exclusively Ducati's, as everyone from the AMA to other motorcycle manufacturers have similar or identical registered trademarks in use already. The fact that editor Roguegeek added this assertion him/her self back in February 2007 and then, after removal in January 2008, reverted with a "citation needed" tag also seems to indicate the lack of verifiable sources supporting the assertion. I suggest removing the offending phrase until such time as the verifiable source supporting the assertion is included.12.31.192.209 (talk) 13:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Read up on the policy. The {{fact}} tag for unsourced material has placed. Give it some time to find a source. It shouldn't be hard since it is true. Roguegeek (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to get into some edit war over this little thing. Honestly, half of the stuff in this article should be deleted due to no sources what so ever and it looked much worse a year ago. There are guidelines as to how to remove unsourced material and it's not being followed in this case what so ever, but I'm going to turn the other way on this one simply due to there being hundreds of other things wrong with this article. Roguegeek (talk) 22:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, I was kidding myself when I was thinking I wouldn't touch this again. I e-mailed Ducati asking about the TM with "Superbike". They're going to supplying proper documentation as proof of this. Until then, I've attached a citation referencing an advertisement with this claim. I know it's not the best source in the world, but it should do until documentation can be cited instead. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 08:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think you may be confusing advertising hyperbole (ie, "The new 1098 is proof that Ducati owns the word 'Superbike'...") with fact. But I am interested in seeing what Ducati provides you as support for the assertion that it has sole trademark on the term "Superbike" in connection with motorcycles, especially when a search of the term "Superbike" in most Trademark and IP databases turns up numerous examples held by entities other than Ducati (indeed, the EU's OAMI-Online service lists 10 Superbike trademarks, and Singapore's SurfIP multijurisdictional service lists 64, none of which are held by Ducati).12.31.192.209 (talk) 14:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with 12.31.192.209, the claim in the image looks to me like an advertising slogan. It certainly isn't an explicit claim that they own the trademark. If they hade the trademark they almost certainly would have put "TM" after the word "Superbike". Companies that own trademarks have to make that ownership explicit using the "TM" symbol, or they lose the trademark. I doubt Ducati don't know this. This claim really needs a better source, I'm afraid. Gwernol 14:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm good with removing it until a better source can be found then. The reason I jumped on the revet was due to an anonymous IP removing data with no explanation. The rationale Gwernol presents makes sense to me. Roguegeek (talk) 01:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liter bike

Liter bike is, quite simply, the more popular term as per Google search. "Liter bike" holds 31,600 unique finds where as "litre bike" has only 8,690 finds. Also, American and British spellings are both considered correct as per English Wikipedia and, therefore, the argument of improper spelling can not be made. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 18:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)