Talk:Speed (film)

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Contents 1 Inspiration for Speed 2 horrible edits, strung together 3 Weird Poster 4 Unlikely trivia 5 Balance 6 What? 7 Levels of disambiguation 8 50mph? 9 Shadow 10 Random profanity in the "Plot" section 11 Fair use rationale for Image:Speed94shot.jpg 12 Citation needed on bus jump 13 Soundtrack

[edit] Inspiration for Speed

In a 1970's Batman Story, Captain Stingaree (had shared a cell with Captain Cold) rigged Gordan's car to explode if he dropped below a certain speed or took off his seat belt.

According to the DVD commentary, Yost was inspired by Runaway Train and nothing else. He just decided to set it on a bus. It could be just a coincidence all these other stories (yeah, I don't believe it either, but give him the benefit of the doubt). Scott197827 18/2/2006

I moved both of these entries to underneath the table of contents. --123.243.236.11 05:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] horrible edits, strung together

One of the most famous scenes in the film shows the bus jumping across a gap in an elevated freeway-to-freeway ramp while still under construction. Both sides of the gap are at identical heights, making it impossible that the jump would work in real life. According to the "Making of..." feature that accompanied the DVD release, the stunt used a ramp and really did traverse fifty feet in the air. To handle the sudden jolt on landing, the stunt bus had no passengers aboard and the driver was wearing a shock-absorbing harness.

The gap in the highway was added through CGI; note the flock of digital seagulls added by the special effects company to enhance the realism of the scene. While the flyover ramp is shown to be essentially all complete and paved, except for the gap, in actual construction that gap in the road deck would have been fixed before the guardrail and asphalt is added. You may also note if you look closely, when the bus is flying over the bridge that is under construction the gap between the two bridges was edited in.

[edit] Weird Poster

For some reason the movie moster gif is animated and flickers with sparkles periodically. I know that it isn't my screen doing this.

-Mr. Tachyon

[edit] Unlikely trivia

"In Indonesia, Speed is played every year on local television stations" <-- I removed this line from the trivia section, as it sounds unlikely to be true. If anyone wants to re-add it, please include a source. Coffee 15:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

So? It plays every year on Australian TV stations as well! It's a classic film! --123.243.236.11 05:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Balance

Almost a third of the article is taken up with a list of parodies. Another paragraph on similar stories to Speed. Less than half the article on the movie itself. Where's the trivia, the production history, box office and critical reaction? This was a hugely successful, acclaimed movie, but anyone from Saturn visiting Earth and seeing this page would think that all Speed was fodder for hack comedy writers.Johann Schlinker 22:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The parody section was also entirely original research, so it's gone. Dan100 (Talk) 23:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't there be a pop culture reference section though? Or is that not valid since it IS basically pop culture? Secunda1 02:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What?

When did the movie say no one was allowed ON the bus? I recall it as being that no one could get off, and that is why he didn't detonate it when Jack (Keanu Reeves) got on the bus. Or am I wrong? Secunda1 02:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

He let Keanu on because the point of the bus bomb was to blow Jack up to get his revenge.

~~Lazyguy~~I r needing userboxes plz! 23:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Levels of disambiguation

This page has been moved back and forth between Speed (film) and Speed (1994 film) a couple of times. imdb knows of several films called Speed [1] of which two currently has articles on English Wikipedia, this one, and a Bollywood movie from 2007, Speed (2007 film). As we all know, India is the country that produces the biggest number of films per year in the world. Assuming that the American film is "much more famous" and thus entitled to a shorter disambiguation is, to me, pure cultural bias; it is not like "Speed" with Sandra Bullock will be remembered forever like Hitchcock's The Birds. I leave the issue here, and trust future wikipedians to do as they see fit. // habj 22:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 50mph?

I could have sworn it was 40mph, not 50. I don't have the video/DVD, so could someone please clarify? ~~Lazyguy~~I r needing userboxes plz! 23:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

No, its 50. I'm watching it right now on Fx. Sullynyflhi 01:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shadow

"If you look below the bridge closely you can still see the shadow of the completed bridge." This is untrue, widely known myth. Look again. The shadow you see in the film is of the bridge visible in the picture, it is because of the suns position that we see this shadow beneath the part of the bridge which is broken. The gap in the shadow would not be needed anyway as that part of the shadow is ut of shot.

[edit] Random profanity in the "Plot" section

Please, the Plot section of the article is horribly littered with profanity. Could someone change it back?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.193.209 (talk • contribs)

Done. Thanks for pointing it out. Someguy1221 07:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Speed94shot.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed on bus jump

I initially removed this tag without noticing that there was a small edit war going on over this. I apologize if this is interpreted as an antagonizing act, it was not meant to be.

A citation should not be required here because the impossibility this section talks about is based on a simple law of nature that is not (generally?) disputed: a gravitational force will pull an object down unless there is an opposing force (e.g., a road) underneath it. Unless the bus were propelled vertically into the air, it could not land on the same plane on which it started. It's a physical impossibility. Try rolling a marble off a table onto another table of the same height, 3 feet away. Not gonna happen...

Actually... am I missing something? I don't understand why there is disagreement about this. Burbble (talk) 07:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I just examined a clip on YouTube [2] that shows the scene in question. You can tell they had to use a ramp of at least 15-20° to get enough vertical velocity for it to make the jump.

To avoid having this debate later, I will mention that the clip comes to a fallacious conclusion based on faulty reasoning. He uses the range equation in an attempt to prove that only a 5° inclide would be needed, and because of this, the bus jump could have been possible.

However, applying that equation (theta = 1/2 sin-1(9.8m/s² * 50ft / (68mph)²) basically shows that a spherical mass of uniform density and no surface friction launched 68mph at theta degrees will travel 50ft in the X direction. Not a very useful conclusion. It is a terrible way to model the situation; it ignores far too many variables and simply doesn't apply to a bus on a road. So, do not be confused by this. It is wrong.

If you watch the clip from the movie, you see quite clearly that bus jump cannot happen in real life. There is already a citation in this article explaining how the visual effect was done: they used a ramp, and erased it in post. The road, as it is seen, is obviously not a ramp. If it were possible in real life, they wouldn't have had to use a ramp!

Bus flings into the air with invisible ramp (movie). Bus just barely lands. Take away invisible ramp (real life). Bus doesn't land. QED. No citation needed. I feel like I am trying to explain that we landed on the moon. Lol... I don't know if I can make this any clearer, nor why I have spent the last hour trying! Burbble (talk) 08:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

A citation is needed. A YouTube video is not credible. WP:V and WP:RS, without a reliable source stating it, it needs a citation period, even if it "appears" to be common sense. I fixed the issue, though, by simply removing the statement all together. Collectonian (talk) 15:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The YouTube video was just a place to view the clip from the movie. Anyway, you are right--the statement didn't actually contribute to the article anyway! Thanks Burbble (talk) 19:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

the ramp was not added through CGI, it was real, although a ramp at ground level was obviously built do to the saftey hazard of trying to jump a buss across the gap of an offramp under construction, anyone who has the special edition DVD can whatch the making of, where it explains step by step how they filmed it... 9:50 March 10, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.158.240.125 (talk) 01:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Soundtrack

The soundtrack was credited to Mark Mancina, and the theme is fairly recognizable. However, I am a bit curious as to the actual origin of the tune, because I heard part of it in the film A Better Tomorrow (the part where Chow Yun-Fat is stealing the tape reel), which predates Speed by 8 years. Ham Pastrami (talk) 16:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)