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[edit] Safety

Injuries for snowbaorders are very common, almost as common as std's, especially for upperlimb: wrist, elbows and shoulders. For lower limb injuries occur to the ankle. Beginners are in great danger during first hours of practice. Better start on very gentle slopes and with soft snow conditions even if you are a good alpine skier. Snowboard is a new sport easy to learn when all safety measures are taken.

100.000 wrist fractures in the world each season for snowboarders! Be aware wrist guards made for in-lane are dangerous. Shorts and rigid splints could bring bad forearm fractures. The best wrist protection is soft enough to allow normal wrist motion, but is abble to absord loads for hyper extension of the wrist.

Some of the sentences don't seem to be complete sentences. The claim of 100000 fractures lacks a citation (and sounds like an awful lot). Should "in-lane" be "in-line skating", or is it referring to something else? Andjam 00:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The idea of in-line skate wrist protectors is that it breaks your arm and not your wrist. It is better to brake your arm, because that almost ever cures just fine. Unlike your wrist, which when broken, doesn't always heal well. Especially when the injured is older. If you take a look at it scientifically then, its just a matter of power. When you fall, then there come lots of Newtons on your wrist/arm. When these Newtons are enough then you just brake a bone.

Those pesky Newtons! They should stick to watching apples fall off trees instead Ralphy 11:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


"better start on very gentle slopes" sounds like advice from a skier. It is very difficult for even experienced boards to ride a very gentle slope. Gentle blues are the place to learn, not greens.

[edit] Stance Width

It may be just me but this and other recent edits sound more like a snowboarding manual rather than an encyclopedia entry, e.g. "A good rider should blah", "blah is recommended". I'm considering editing this. Ralphy 10:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Heelside'

Highback - A stiff moulded support behind the heel and up the calf area. The HyBak was originally designed by inventer Jeff Grell and built by Flite Snowboards. This allows the rider to apply pressure and effect a "heelside" turn.

shouldnt that be a backside turn? 1:53, User:130.89.186.171

no, because it's a frontside turn. heelside and toeside take away any ambiguity Ralphy 17:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

?????? Trust me a heelside turn does not exist. And highbacks are not that much important for for frontside turns. It's better to say that highbacks can help with bending your knees more, which is important in general and that it helps (the more forwardlean) with carving..... User:130.89.186.171

How you refer to types of tuns may Varies where you go. In the USA I've heard heelside and toeside. A Snowborder would undersdand both ways of saying it. I've only Snowbored in North America so i don't know what you call it in other places. Front/Back side sounds really confusing to me. Is a Front side turn when you tun onto your front side (toe side) or trun away form (heel side). (6 years EX) (6 years EX but only riding. New to Terain parks)--E-Bod 03:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Surely a frontside turn is on your heels, i.e. a left turn if you are regular. This would follow the same convention as a front side spin or riding the front side wall of a pipe. I agree that it's confusing since I've heard people use the term incorrectly lots of times. Heelside and toeside do take away ambiguity but they sound rather silly and I've never heard anyone using these terms, although I haven't been to the US for a long time, all my riding is done in Europe. Ralphy 19:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok Thanks. I ride Goffy. I remeber When i Scatebord in the US and your ride the other way it's called fakey and when i went Snowbording in Whistlers (once) in BC Canida they called it Swithed. It's so weird Typing in difrent forms of English (US UK ETC...) and then read people arguing over words.--E-Bod 22:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Now you're talking about something completely different. Switch or fakey riding (the two terms means the same thing) means you have switched the direction of the board and you are riding with your back foot in front, e.g. if you are a goofy rider this would mean you'd be riding with your left foot in front of your right with the tail of the board leading. This discussion is not about switch/fakey riding. It is about which turn is 'frontside' and which is 'backside'. We have ascertained that if you are riding regular then a left turn is a frontside turn. If you are riding goofy then a right turn is a frontside turn. Ralphy 09:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
A frontside turn on the slopes is always on your toes! A backside turn is on your heels. That's always the case no matter if you are goofy or regular. Heelside toeside is not a "good" snowboard term. Did you ever hear someone saying during a snowboard contest "HEELSIDE 540"?. Goofy is riding with your right foot for, and regular is with your left foot. If you are riding regular (left foot for) , and you make a turn to the left, then you make a turn on your heels, which is your backside and not your frontside. I hope I made it clear now (Jornt who has an Austrian Landes degree on snowboard teaching and 5 years of experience teaching).
To make things more clear - http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=123&exhibition=8&u=127|0|... (standing left foot for (as you can see on the binding angle), doing a backside turn (on his heels), which is a turn to the left. If you assume that this http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=121&exhibition=8&u=127|6|... and this http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=122&exhibition=8&u=127|7|... are the same rider then you see that on the last pic he is doing a frontside turn (regular, making a turn to the right on his toes). http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=88&exhibition=6&u=64|1|... (as you can see by the binding angle, this guy is standing goofy (right food for), doing a turn to the left, on his toes, which makes it a frontside turn. So to conclude, a frontside turn is always on your toes, and when you are done with the turn you upperbody faces the mountain. A backside turn is always on your heels, and when you are done with the turn your upperbody always faces the valley. It's pretty that funny that when I explain this the first day to my students they always get it. No matter if they are goofy or regular. So I don't think that it is that confusing to say backside/frontside.
It's taken me a while to recover from viewing those photos but anyway - I can't beleive that a backside turn is on your heels. If you do a frontside 360 then you turn with the front side of your board leading the spin. In my opinion turns made whilst the board is touching the snow follow the same convention, which means a frontside turn is on your heels. I've lived in a resort for the last 5 years and most of the guys here have been riding since they could walk. I chatted with a few of them and the consensus seems to be that a frontside turn is on your heels. Ralphy 09:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Btw - please sign your name when adding comments. Thanks Ralphy 09:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Do you know the 1/3 rule with making a turn? If not you should change edges at 1/3 of your turn. Which means that if i start frontside (on my toes) I change edges at 1/3 so I'm standing on my backside again. So I make 2/3 of the turn on backside. According to you this is a frontside curve. Does it make any sense to be on the backside of your board most of the time and call it a frontside? Besides "front" suggests front, which is the direction in which you look, your toes. Back suggests back which is basicly your back, so your heels. With jumping its the other way around. And with doing rails it's like this again. If you don't believe you can also check that carver.cc page. Look at the description of the pics, and then look at which leg is standing in front. This is what me, my fellow teachers, and the people who give snowboardteacher course say....... Jornt
This discussion definitely deserves to expand Frontside whenever someone feels like it. My experience is that on-the-snow turns are never referred to as front/back side, but exclusively toe/heel. However, on-the-snow toe side does feel like a frontside ( i can see ), and heelside feels like a backside ( relatively blind ). On-the-snow terminology remains up in the air?
When jumping, the body position after 90 degrees names the spin. If after the first 90 the chest and toe edge is facing down the hill, the spin is a frontside If after the first 90 the chest is facing up the hill, the spin is a backside. Through a frontside 180, the rider's eyes may remain forward through the movement. Through a backside 180, the eyes must break their downhill gaze and rotate through the spin. One of my colleagues prefers 'lightside' (frontside aka legs only) and 'darkside' (backside or blind) when introducing 180s. 360s and beyond name based on the 1st 180. Every 360 includes one frontside and one backside 180 to make the full spin. Takeoffs may be flat-board, off the heel, or off the toe without effect on the terminology.
Finally, this is obviously confusing -- lets try not to insult each other here. I tend to avoid all mention of these terms when teaching as it is simply not worth taking the time to explain before an intermediate level. ∴ here…♠ 15:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Maybe that's the difference between Europe and other parts of the world. From my experience (france, austria, the netherlands, germany, switzerland, czech, belgium) people refer exclusively to frontside and backside... Jornt
Agree. In the US I've only heard Toeside/Heelside. I haven't snowborded in europe. Then again I haven't been in the Terain parks mutch(I changed my coment earlyer to reflect this). Can we all add where we snowbord so we know why sombody is saying Front/back instead of heel/Toe. It's like arguing over colour and color This conversation is getting Extreamly Long and pointless--E-Bod 00:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I suggest changing "heelside turn" into "heelside/backside" turn then. So that it is also clear for the people in Europe. Jornt
It would be nice but only once in the arile it could end up like (the fallowing is a joke I don't meen it to be offesive. I am verry temped to do it myself) How about Heelside tun (Backside) or Backside turn (Heelside) once. But too much seem unencyclpoidiatic. it's like writting (Sounds/reads like a good idea, but green is a better colour/color board.
Just use alternivie words sparigle but once should be ok cosidering this humongus Online Debae over the word--E-Bod 22:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Im a snowboard instrcutor have been for 6 years with 16 years of riding experience.. a heel side turn is when you turn on your heels... usually frontside..

toeside turn is when you turn on your toes...it's that easy...theres no variation just people who dont know what there talking about..

now when your boardsliding

a frontside board slide is when you are sliding with your back facing forward a backside board slide is when you are sliding with your fron facing forward

the above is fact!

the moves orginiate from skating.

lip slides how ever are a differnt matter.. depends on what aproach you are taking to the rail/box and what edge you are poping off snowboardreview.org

[edit] 'Images'

The pictures are pretty bad. At the top, that snowboard is really old and the bindings are on backwards (98/98 Burton Customs with the third strap). Other images are less than spectacular... cap construction boards and step-ins... my boards are all plastered in free stickers, can someone post something less ghey? Ezweave80 01:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is there a photo of a ski resort on a page that is supposed to be about snowboards. A resort would be more appropriate on the snowboarding page. I thought this page was supposed to be about the snowboard itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.247.88 (talk • contribs)

[edit] History

"The breathtaking euphoria associated with the first snowboard arcs on a bluebird powder day, or the nervous excitement before dropping into a steep, cliff lined chute, may embed in a rider a sense of belonging to an ancient tradition of extreme athletes. Though their acute emotions may extend back through human existence, the use of a snowboard to experience our dance with danger is, in actuality, extremely new."

This doesn't really sound like something that belongs in an encyclopedia to me... it's a little overdramatic. I think we could do without this entire selection. Thoughts?

Paulbkirk 21:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I definintely agree, pure WP:OR, though I understand the sentiment ;p. User:Dachan02 rewrote the entire section with this diff, which deserves some attention. The old section on the progression into the Olympics was deleted as well. Go for it Paulbkirg, or anyone stopping by. Ultimately, all of this information needs to be cited. Anyone have a good book with the history of snowboarding? ∴ here…♠ 03:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


So I went and removed the section. It was not very encyclopedic. I found a better history page in the history and placed it in the Snowboarding article. Maybe it would be appropriate to have two history pages, one in this article specifically about the development of the snowboard, and another in the snowboarding article about the expansion of the sport. Also there were a few good bits of the section I removed. Maybe they can be incorporated into the history section of snowboarding. Stephenbez 06:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the edits - the page makes a little more sense and flows nicely.

Paulbkirk 16:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intro rewrite

I rewrote the introduction. It seemed too long and most of the information was listed later in the article. Stephenbez 07:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] monoboard and monoski

I would like to bring attention to the articles on 'monoboard's and 'monoski's, they are so terrible that i believe they deserve a complete fresh start. I appreciate someone has put much time and effort into them, but they do very little to explain the concepts of either...if anyone reading this knows something about them then PLEASE have a shot at re-writting the articles. I would do it myself if it wasnt for my complete lack of knowledge and, to be completley honest, the sheer scale of the job. thankyou! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.4.74.65 (talk) 20:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Notable people in snowboarding

I would like to have jp Walker and Travis Rice added to the list because they are both widely known snowboarders and are very skilled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.246.81 (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I alphabetised and tidied up the Notable People in Snowboarding list. I also intend to remove the following names from this list as I cannot find any evidence of their notability in the field of snowboarding: Szász Ábel, Dane Bronzyk, Zane Caudell, Ryan duCharme, Nate Markel, Trevor Wigg. If you have evidence that they are, please let me know. Finally: this list probably belongs in Snowboarding anyway... any thoughts? TheSnowApe (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed section as relatively useless and unhelpful. Many notable individuals are already mentioned inline with a few words about their notability, likely in Snowboarding. A run of the mill list is handled by Category:Snowboarders. ∴ here…♠ 18:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)