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Alrighty.... I started this page because it shouldn't have been deleted. And I couldn't find it under Sing-Sing Prison. But there are links to both names, and I really think those links should be consolidated under one name. Which name should we use for the Prison? It's been called Sing-Sing. Sing-Sing_(Prison) ?
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[edit] Weirdos
Why are there so many weirdos in here? And check this line in the article: 'Lynds' plan was to kill everyone'. Wa? Get the loonies OUT.
- Similarly, see this line in the section Punishments: "In addition to an end of the brutality, the facility was slowly modernized." This is decidedly NOT showing NPOV. Brutality is a very very loaded (emotionally) word, and is, in this context (referring to capital punishment) inappropriate for an encyclopedia. The Wilschon 02:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please clean up the "sing sing's home town" section? I did what I could in the short time I had.Animaterra 02:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed Attica Correctional Facility from "see also" section, as it doesn't relate to article, and that it can be found under the link to List of New York state prisons in same section. It can also be found at brackets-Category:Prisons in New York-brackets category. --Riley 13:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
A new topic
Here's an issue for discussion on this page. Although a number of states' electric chairs were in truth nicknamed "Old Sparky"(Including the chair at Sing Sing) , I am quite sure that in popular usage the name refers specifically to the Florida electric chair.
If I am correct about this, it would not be accurate to caption the Sing sing chair as "Probably the most famous American electric chair"
Any opinions on this?
[edit] Only the Electric Chair, Dates
This sentence confuses me: "From 1914 until 1971, only the electric chair at Sing Sing was used for executions." For one thing, the next sentence says the last execution was 1963, so I don't know what 1971 is. Also, the placement of the "only" is confusing. Only the electric chair at Sing Sing, and no electric chairs anywhere else? That can't be right. Should it be "executions was performed at Sing Sing all used the electric chair?" Or "all executions in NY state were performed at Sing Sing using the electric chair?" Ccrrccrr 03:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fictional Sing Sing Prisoners
I just watched The Producers for the upteenth time this weekend, and I cannot remember, indeed ever, if it is mentioned that Ulla goes to Sing Sing. In the fictious pardon that frees Leo, Max, and Liepkind, Ulla is never mentioned.
Zidel333 19:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
You would be right. Neither Ulla nor Roger are sent to prison. They weren't in on it, although she did go with Leo to Rio and enjoy the proceeds. Liepkind is sent for attempted murder, not the money scam.
[edit] Name of the Prison
This article needs some discussion as to why it is called Sing Sing, and when it came to be called that. I'm assuming it comes from Ossing, New York.
Zidel333 19:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Both the town and the prison were originally named Sing Sing, which was itself an anglocized form of Sint Sink, the name of the Native American tribe that had populated the region. My recollection is that the town eventually changed its name in order to dissociate itself from the prison. Lpslogan29 14:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I added a couple of citations that, I hope, will help. Animaterra 02:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Punishment
The first paragraph of the "Punishments" subsection needs editing badly. Alfvaen 19:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Who is Carola?
I admit I didn't read the article very carefully, but who/what is "Carola"? Entheta 18:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- The name? word? "Carola" does not appear anywhere else in the article except in the section header. All I can think of is that it is a typo for "Cholera", which is mentioned in that section. Very odd. Plus, that section is filled with quotes, but they are not attributed to any source. I'm thinking of just taking it out of the article and saving it here on the Talk page, until someone can figure out what's up with it. --MCB 01:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Since it has been tagged since Dec. 2006, I've gone ahead and moved it to the talk page. It appears in its entirety below. The Wilschon 02:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's cholera too.Monzondatalk 05:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Carola
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During the inmates' stays at the prison their lives were constantly filled with hardships and sometimes no rest. A normal day consisted of working for "ten hours and forty-five minutes starting at six in the morning and ending at six" in the evening. The other hour and fifteen minutes were spent eating and walking to and from work. "This work schedule was set during the summer days from May 15th to September 15th." As time passed from the summer days to colder winter type days the work hours were cut down to "eight hours and forty-five minutes or nine hours and forty-seven minutes" approximately. The hours they were not working they were locked up in their cells for the most part. It was hard for inmates to develop good work habits since there were no incentives or rewards such as good behavior time given to them.
The inmates would march directly from work to the cells where they would receive bread and coffee. In the morning they would receive hash and coffee; the hash was made up of the left over meats from the previous day and potato. Time and time again the inmates would receive this same food for breakfast and dinner unless instructed by a physician that it be changed for sick inmates to mush and molasses. Due to the type of food the men would get, during the winter many of the men would become sick. More than 100 men would suffer from scurvy and eleven died from Asiatic cholera and fifteen from tuberculosis in the year of 1854. Those sick and mentally unstable men were segregated in a completely different section of the prison called the "outer Ward". The "insane men were transferred to the Utica State Hospital but this practice was prohibited by the Legislature in 1854, because of the objection to mixing both citizen and criminal insane."
The weekends seem just as painful as the punishments they would receive when they behaved with misconduct. As soon as they would finish work on Friday afternoon until Monday morning they were locked in the cells. The only time that they would not be locked in the cells is when they would attend the chapel for a short amount of time. "In 1912 the first Sunday dinner was served in the mess hall. A year later soup or some other inexpensive dish was added to the daily supper of bread and coffee, and the meal served in the mess hall rather than in the cells, terminating at last a practice that had governed the evening meal for 90 years. Columbus Day, 1912, was the first holiday the men spent out of their cells."
[edit] "sent up the river"?
We're told that 'the expression "sent up the river" refers to criminals convicted in New York City being sent up the Hudson River to Sing Sing', but not what "sent up the river" actually means in modern usage. I know what "sending up" means (parodying something or someone and/or taking the mickey out of them/it), and what "sold down the river" means, but as for "sent up the river" I'm none the wiser. Is "sent up the river" a New York expression, or a widely used American expression (bear in mind I'm not American, nor do I live in New York)? 217.155.20.163 (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
