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This was obviously written by a GP4 user/fan, and I don't feel it accurately reflects either the state of sim racing today or it's history, and is way too GP and F1 racing centric. It also contains far too much POV content. One big problem is that so much sim racing information directly crosses into the 'racing video games' category, that it's difficult to distinguish the dividing line between the two (if there is one.)

I can say definitively that I don't like this article at all, and I feel it's misleading to folks that come here and search for the term 'sim racing' by itself. They get the impression that the only group of people that do this are GP4 users in Europe simulating F1, and that's just not the least bit true anymore, if it ever was to begin with.

I think we need to broaden this category. There's so much not covered here; no mention of consoles or console titles, barely any mention of NASCAR sim racing in the U.S. (far more popular than F1 sims in the U.S., naturally). Also, lumping Grand Turismo in as an 'arcade' title is misleading. It may have started as an 'arcade racer', but is no longer.

Any comments before I start fixing this? --HardwareLust 22:30, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

With regard to your claim that Gran Turismo is a racing simulation, I am forced to conclude that you are quite confused as to what exactly makes a simulation. Specifically, a simulation exists to reproduce and model a given situation (in this case auto racing) as closely as possible. The most recent in the series, and indeed all earlier iterations, completely lack damage modeling. That is, the cars simply bounce off one another. That alone would disqualify it from the simulation genre. Swakeman 05:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Sim Racing badly defined

Sim racing isn't really explained here. Sim racing is a term for racing online. This article is about racing simulations, which should be in racing simulations, racing games, or something. 'Sim racing' is generally associated with online leagues which are vaguely mentioned here. Hedley 19:29, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sim racing is a term used to describe the act of using a racing simulator. It's a term that predates online simracing, and is frequently used out of that particular context. Jason moyer 01:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Only a narrow aspect of sim racing is discussed

As a sim racer who has raced offline but only raced in leagues online I have put together my version. It is in the history (the one before I reverted back to the previous). It is quite a major change so I don't know if that goes against the spirit of this. Tony, 29 Apr 2005

I think somebody with good english and german skills should try to translate the german article [[1]], which gives a better overview of the simracing history. --80.185.94.120 7 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)

[edit] Strange fact?

Whats with the wierd line: "Strangely enough, there are no English sim racers." I must agree that I do not certifiably know of an English Sim racer, but that seems like a pretty large statement to make without proof.

I am English, and a sim racer. There are many others, look at the english contingent at Race Sim Central (www.racesimcentral.com) Duke toaster 20:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I also find this section requires a lot more detail and a clearer definition of sim racing as opposed to gaming. We have seen a move the gaming aspect to the more serious aspect of sim racing as a legitimate sport, standing by itself, and a training tool for real world racing teams and individual drivers. The article does sim racing no justice by ignoring the direction in which it is moving, and the possibility of professionalism in the not too distant future

One needs to take a step back and view sim racing objectively rather than subjectively

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[edit] Is there any Sim racing video game which ..

..is aimed at educating its gamers to follow the driving rules (signals, road signs and speeds)? Acidburn24m 18:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes. There was one called Drivers Education, I believe it was developed by Dynamix. However this was several years ago. Such simulators would not fit into the sim racing category as they involve no racing. There is newer software such as The Simulator Teen Driver Education but it is not a consumer product. (ZappoMechanic (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC))

Amongst the users of the simulator Live for Speed there is a sub-group who engage in an activity known as 'cruising.' Users are required to obey traffic laws while driving around a simulated urban environment, other users, the 'police,' patrol the environment and enforce the laws by levying fines that are deducted from the user's points (tracked as money). Users who have proven themselves safe drivers can be elevated to the position of police. I've never actually tried this myself though, so I may be wrong as to precisely how it works. (ZappoMechanic (talk) 10:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)) who would want that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.195.28 (talk) 18:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)