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[edit] GA nomination on hold

A decent article, but I do have a few suggestions, one major one, and a bunch of more minor ones:

  • In general, I think the most glaring ommission to the article is anything non-history related. Basically the entire article is an extended bio of the band. What about their musical style? Howabout a section dedicated to important awards/nominations? Howabout their influences? Anything interesting about their live performances? Lyrical content? Any controversies? Any political persuasions? In general I think these are the most difficult sections to write (and source), but are ultimately the most useful. As it is, it's not very broad or comprehensive.
  • The semi-colon in between Innocent Criminals and Silverchair in the infobox is unnecessary, I think, since they're on seperate lines.
  • "success an acclaim" is missing a D.
  • It might be good to give a brief descriptor of what Tiple J is, for the uninitiated, namely in the lead.
  • "underwent a hiatus" is awkward.
  • In general avoid using "They" to start a sentence.
  • "long time schoolmates Chris Joannou" should be schoolmate, singular, no?
  • In general, consider how specific you need to get with dates. For instance, "mid-1994" is a little odd. Is the fact that is is MID 1994 relevant to anything? 1994 would read better. Same with "recorded in just nine days in the early year." "The album was released on 27 March 1995." "It was released on 4 February 1997." etc.
    • I'm a fan of writing out release dates (did it on Powderfinger, etc.), but if you like I'll remove. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
      • It just seems irrelvant to the band's history as a whole. Unless something happened on a specific date for a specific reason, it just serves as unnecessary trivia in the band's overeall article. Drewcifer (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
        • OK, done in most cases. I left stuff like "On 21 January 2001, the band played to 250,000 people at Rock In Rio, a show they described as the highlight of their career." (do you agree with leaving that?) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 08:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
          • Sounds reasonable. Drewcifer (talk) 08:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • "A rushed release of the Triple J recording" why was it rushed? Who described it as such?
  • "recorded in just nine days in the early year." It's not clear what year we are talking about.
  • The sentence describing the songs in Frogstomp is iffy. Not only is it conjecture without a source, but again, I'm not sure if it really applies to an article about the band in general.
  • "superstardom" is a POV word.
  • "succumbed to an eating disorder" does one succumb to something like that? "developed" would probably be a better word, I think.
  • "due to its more mature sound" it's POV that it has a more mature sound, and also that it's succes was due to that mature sound.
    • Well, the ref talks about this... dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Then the sentence should be worded as such. Simply stating it as fact and provided a source implies that it is a fact backed-up by the source. Instead you should say "___ contributes ___'s success to the its more "mature sound"."[1] Or something like that. Drewcifer (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • the "reactive arthritis mediation" thing seems like a very odd thing to mention here.
    • Typo --> Medication. I think it relevant in that it cancelled numerous shows etc. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
      • I didn't even notice the typo. I thought that mentioning his medication was odd. Though I can see your point too. Drewcifer (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

So, I've put the article's nomination on hold, which typically lasts 7 days. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns, and/or when you'd like me to take another look. Drewcifer (talk) 08:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied to some comments; the rest are done. Thanks for the review! dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Looking pretty good! I'd definitely say this is GA quality work. Good work! Feel free to give me a holler with any other nominations. Drewcifer (talk) 08:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One thing to add to help get ready for Featured Status

Where did the groups name come from? That would be a good thing to have referenced in the article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Found it! They chose their name from a book of band names...interesting. Added to the article, thanks for the tip. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 08:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some areas that could be improved:

Ok, this is just a quick informal read through of the article with reccomendations as a thanks to Dihydrogen Monoxide.

  • "several band members partook in projects with side projects"- Repetition- how about 'recorded with side projects...'
  • "a song called "Tomorrow.""- "their song, "Tomorrow"." Note that the full stop is outside the speech marks.
  • "and perceptions of the pain of friends." Something always looks amiss when a paragraph doesn't end with a reference...
    • Found nothing with a quick search. Need to look further. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 06:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • "A #1 hit in Australia and New Zealand, Silverchair went on to become the first Australian artist since INXS to hit the U.S. Top 10" It's the album that is a hit and top ten, not the artist. This could do with a rephrase.
  • The Frogstomp section is a little short- perhaps bulk it out quoting some reviews? AMG's good if you don't have any print (Rolling Stone, Kerrang!, Australian equivilent)
  • "success of Frogstomp in Australia and the US" - 'U.S.'
  • "singles in Australia - "Freak", "Abuse Me","- Bypass disambiguation, you want Abuse Me (Silverchair song)
  • "The songs focus on the anger and backlash that the expectations of Frogstomp brought upon the band." Why are they angry? What backlash? Ref?
    • Hmm, needs more searching. I added a ref talking about anger for a start. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 06:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • "went gold in the United States" Ref?
  • "global sales eventually exceeded 1.5 million copies." Ref?
  • "Both Freak Show and Neon Ballroom both" Remove second 'both'.
  • "Neon Ballroom reached #5,[14] Freak Show's "Freak""- Replace comma with fullstop to separate the overseas album sales from the Australian single sales.
  • "theHot Modern Rock Tracks."- Missed space, and link to Hot Modern Rock Tracks?
  • "Silverchair toured extensively in support of Neon Ballroom propelling it to stronger worldwide sales than they had achieved with Freak Show." Do we have a ref that attributes the higher sales to the touring? If not, at least a ref comparing the sales?
  • "successful album to date, touring live and including appearances" The album toured?
  • "Silverchair's only live performance in 2000 was at the Falls Festival on New Year's Eve.[20] On 21 January 2001, the band played to 250,000 people at Rock In Rio, a show they described as the highlight of their career.[3]" Paragraph is a little short- is there any way it could be expanded or placed elsewhere?
    • I moved it so it came before the break was announced; does that read OK? dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 06:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • "to himself an "artist","- 'as an artist'
  • Again, paragraph 2 of Diorama is a little short.
  • "heavy reactive arthritis mediaction;" Sorry, what's mediaction?
    • I fail spelling. The GA review saw a typo there too. It's medication, I hope. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 06:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • "cancel several other shows." Other? Why not just 'several shows'?
  • Sorry to keep mentioning this, but it lowers the overall quality of the article- short paragraph at the end of the extended break section.
  • "with reviewers describing the lyrics as moving and emotional." Which reviewer? Writing for whom?
  • "PopMatters' Nick Pearson saw the opposite" Link to PopMatters?
  • "The band has also won multiple awards in the Australian music industry including the APRA and Jack Awards. Silverchair has won a number of categories from notable music magazines. The band has scored 15 songs in the Triple J Hottest 100." Can we have references for everything there?
  • Some more categories for you- Category:1990s music groups, Category:2000s music groups, Category:Musical groups established in 1992 and possibly Category:People from Newcastle, New South Wales, but I guess that is more suited to the members' respective pages.
  • In the navbox, the Great Divide Tour is italicised, in the prose, it isn't. There's no guideline for it, as far as I know, (and I've looked) so I think it should be unformatted.

The article certainly seems to cover all the main areas and is well written. I can't pick any real fault with it. J Milburn (talk) 13:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied to some stuff (some just a note to self), the rest is done. Thanks heaps! dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 06:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Keyboardist

I just noticed that even though all the videos I've seen of Silverchair have had a keyboardist with the band, and even the photo in the article shows him, there is no mention of any keyboardist whatsoever in the text. Am I missing something? Dementedc (talk) 18:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It's Paul Mac, I think. He's not really part of the band, he just performed with them on the Across the Great Divide tour. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)