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The word Shrek actually comes from the Yiddish word שרעק prononounced "Shrek". It means fear/terror.


Indeed, if exclaiming ´Oh Schreck!´ in German you may be quite terrified. The yiddish word ´shrek´ is actually borrowed from medieval German (low word) and the phrase is widely used in german speaking countries even today.

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[edit] Comparison with Original Book?

I'd like to write a paragraph comparing the movie and the original children's book (which I have read) as they are very different... any thoughts on where this should go or if this is a good idea in the first place?--RainbowWerewolf (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe it already exists. It looks like it was initially mentioned on the Shrek! page. SpikeJones (talk) 16:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Channel 4?

"Shrek was also ranked second in a Channel 4 poll..." Who or what is this 'Channel 4' that is mentioned here? There's a Channel 4 broadcasting in nearly every city in America, but they are all different stations from different networks, so I don't see how they are relevant. The previous line mentions Bravo, and has a link to it. Can we clarify this mysterious 'Channel 4', please? T-bonham (talk) 08:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Songs and Performers

I have updated the Songs and Performers section. The film features the song Hallelujah, composed by Leonard Cohen and originally released on his album Various Positions. However, the version heard on the film is sung by John Cale (the same version appears in the tribute album I'm Your Fan). The soundtrack of the film does not include the Cale version, but another one performed by Rufus Wainwright. --SugarKane 11:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Movie trivia

A bit of Movie trivia, since i dont have the courage to add it, and im hoping someone else will notice some more :) Actually this is the only hting i can currently remember.

  • When they reach the castle the parkinglot for the chariots the sign says, "You are parked in Lancelot."

I found it to be funny that Mike Myers actually read opposite his wife Robin Ruzan when recording his lines for the climactic love scene at the end of the movie. 68.94.200.122 19:41, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eisner and Shrek

As was previously stated, Lord Farquaad looking like Shrek was completely wrong. If one compares pictures of the two, they are no where near each other in any facial feature... nor is Eisner known to be short. In actuality, Shrek is based on Eisner, which is clearly evident if the two are physically compared.

---Edit: I found a pic demonstrating this (http://www.nanalog.com/images/shrekeisner2.jpg).

66.82.9.52 23:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Virtually every publication which comments on the matter seems to think it's Farquaad who is based on Eisner. Having Shrek (the hero) be so based wouldn't make sense, given the relationship between Katzenberg and Eisner. Besides one picture, can you cite any reference which claims that Shrek is derived from Eisner? --EngineerScotty 22:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Between Fiona and Crap Head

Here's what we need in this article. Lord Farquaad was tricking Princess Fiona into marrying him, and before it happened, Fiona was going to believe in Farquaad. During that wedding, Shrek and Donkey rode the dragon to rescue Fiona from marrying Farquaad, and when Shrek came in, Farquaad told Shrek that he came into a wedding being uninvited. Shrek told Fiona that she can't marry him, and Fiona said back to Shrek, "And why not?", and Shrek told her that it was because Farquaad is just marrying her, so he can be king, which Shrek obviously meant to say that Farquaad is tricking her into marrying him. Then Fiona changed her mind into marrying Shrek, but she needs to be an ogress, in order to marry Shrek. The crowd became displeased and ended up leaving. --Zachkudrna18@yahoo.com

[edit] Fictional Scots

I removed the category Category:Fictional Scots from the article, on the grounds that Shrek is a character in a fictional universe which does not include Scotland. Unlike other Myers characters such as Stuart McKenzie and Fat Bastard, who are unambiguously Scottish, Shrek's no more a Scot than is Gimli from Lord of the Rings--even though both characters were voiced with a Scottish brogue. Likewise, Fiona's not a California girl, Donkey's not African-American, Puss-in-boots is not a Spaniard, and Queen Lillian and King Harold are not English. --EngineerScotty 18:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC), who knows a thing or two about fictional Scots. :)


[edit] Redundancy

It seems the Jokes category's third bullet has a redudancy in it stating the samething twice instead or combining it in oneAkupta321 02:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richard III

An anon user added the statement "Farquaad's image is taken in whole from Richard III (National Portrait Gallery and Society of Antiquaries portraits)". The same user altered the Richard III page to say that Shrek is "the most visually accurate moving image of Richard III". I've edited the other page to tone down the statement, but this information on both pages seems to me to need verification. Should these statements be removed? Romalar 19:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to double check but I remember something from interviews from the makers that Farquaad was based on Michael Eisner from Disney Pnkrockr 17:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derivation of the name

The name Shrek is taken from the Yiddish word שרעק (pronounced Shreck) meaning 'fear', 'terror', or (in its closest sense) 'fright', and the German "Schreck" with the same meaning.

Any source for this? Has his creator actually identified either the Yiddidh or German words the origin, or is this just speculation really? Flapdragon 18:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

There might be a source, but it's hardly necessary. It is highly unlikely that William Steig, whose parents were Polish Jews (and hence spoke Yiddish), would have called his fearsome title character Shrek without knowing that it was the Yiddish word for "fear." marbeh raglaim 18:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I think we need to do better than that. May be true, but it could just as easily be taken from the German word simply because the creators were feeling Teutonic at the time. Who knows? So there has to be reference to back up this factoid. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 17:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I rephrased the sentence re: etymology of the name to make it more ambiguous, and added a "fact" thing to the end. It might not even come from the German/Yiddish word "shreck" but from something else entirely, like the name of someone's dog or that bad guy in the Batman movie. As and when someone finds a verifiable source saying where the name came from, this sentence can then be changed. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 12:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It couldn't have come from the German word, for the simple reason that it doesn't have the German spelling. marbeh raglaim 11:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

No, not good enough. It could equally easily be a pun on the German word, anglicized slightly. Without a verifiable source, it's all speculation. Cheers, Neale —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neale Monks (talk • contribs) 17:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
The online yiddish dictionary (http://www.yiddishdictionaryonline.com/) translates "fear, alarm; terror" to the word "Shrek" (with that exact spelling). The author of Shrek! was the son of polish-jewish immigrants. Search the web for "steig shrek yiddish" and you'll find dozens of articles stating that "Shrek" came from the yiddish word for "fear". E.g. the flyer for the Jewish Museum in New York exhibit (http://www.jewishmuseum.org/site/pages/pdfs/TJM_Steig_Travel-Desc_6-07.pdf). Or from the official biographical web site (http://www.williamsteig.com/article-riverbank2002.htm). How much evidence do you need? It's hardly a controversial little factoid. And, yes, the word is still in use in modern German ("Schreck") - Yiddish is a Germanic language. It's also still in use in Swedish - "skräck", where it has a stronger meaning than fear and means "horror" (and is in fact the genre term for horror movies). It's also still in use in Norwegian ("skrekk"), where it's more akin to "fright", and Danish ("skræk") where it's more akin to "dread". But there's no mention that I can find anywhere that the German language per se (or Swedish or Norwegian or Danish) has anything to do with the choice of title. So that part was speculation on the somebody's part. But the Yiddish origin is incontrovertible so I will put that back in. --Psm (talk) 22:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Can someone slap a "This article does not cite it's references" tag on...? Because I don't see one reference in the entire article, just external links and notes. --Hitsuji Kinno 04:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] addition to fiona fight

Hi, this was removed because it was badly worded, can someone help me ? i'm not a native english speaker. thanks :

  1. 20:00, 22 December 2006 Treyt021 (Talk | contribs) (removed badly worded addition)
  2. 19:59, 22 December 2006 209.47.172.20 (Talk)

Still in the same fight, there are references to others fights : ghost in the shell (when major fight some clueless crook) and the fifth element (when mila jovovitch fight alien in the orange room)

done, thanks LelandParrish 02:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Pinocchio merge

I notice despite being tagged for a month, no-one has commented on the propsed merge. Does that mean it's not a well supported idea? I think it shouldn't be merged as the Shrek article is pretty long as it is and it would be a bit strange for only one of the many characters who have articles to be merged. Merging them all would make it very long. Mallanox 23:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

sure. maybe nobody commented because nobody cares if it's included or not. i think it should, for the same reasons. LelandParrish 02:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I gotta say its just some random facts about Pinocchio. If someone made a whole article about all the characters in the movie, it would be better. Yeah? Smashman2004 (talk • contribs • email) 19:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I have just searched and i have noticed there are are lots of Shrek character articles and if Pinocchio is included in this article that would be a little random. I think that as I said before there should be a Shrek Character article. Smashman2004 (talk • contribs • email) 19:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

If it was actually an original character, or at least a revival of an otherwise obscure fairy tale figure, it would be reasonable to have a separate article, but we're talking Pinocchio here. Give the fancruft a rest...
Peter Isotalo 17:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

The quality of the movie screenshot images (taken with a digital camera of all things...) are of terrible quality and are much too large for fair use images. Can someone take some direct digital captures from the DVD (as in using "Print Screen" while playing the movie)? I would reccomend using Media Player Classic, as it doesn't use overlay displays, which enables screenshots to be taken rather than just a blank black space appearing. I don't own the DVD, otherwise I would fix this myself. Green451 02:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shrek and Zizek

I added that philosopher Slavoj Zizek wrote an interesting analysis of Shrek in his book Welcome to the desert of the Real. Someone deleted what i added, may I know why? [Hamlet]

[edit] Farquaad

Is Lord Farquaad mentioned too much? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.152.207.153 (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] References in trivia

"The line "That'll do Donkey, that'll do" spoken by Shrek is a reference to the infamous line "That'll do pig, that'll do" spoken in the movie Deliverance following a brutal anal rape scene.

I don't believe a children's movie would reference a "brutal anal rape scene" from Deliverance. This is quite obviously a reference to the infamous line from the children's movie "Babe". Please change. Thanks.
Do you get what other awful stuff has been in Shrek? Farquaad? 68.81.106.2 (talk) 00:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] lord farquad and Nazism

Lord (or king) farquad kind of reminds me of Hitler, exterminating the fairy tale creatures at the beginning. Just a thought! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidnvn (talk • contribs) 02:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Isn`t that a strange beginning?

Shrek is a soccer player who learns he is the son of David Beckham of William Steig's 1990 fairy tale picture book of the same name.

What kind of beginning is that? And what connection does Shrek has with that soccer player? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeD Jake Crusher (talk • contribs) 05:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

One word. VandalismDragon queen4ever 23:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Development section

The entire Trivia section contains information that should be part of the non-existant "Development sectionDurinsBane87 03:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot Synopsis

I tried to refine it and shorten it. Hopefully, it is now closer to appearing as it should to be a proper Wiki article. I think we can tighten it up even more. Thoughts? Ccrashh 13:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'll go back on what I said above. The trivia should be integrated into the Production section, which i Didn't notice when i made the statement above. DurinsBane87 13:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Er, what does the trivia section have to do with the Plot Synopsis? :) Ccrashh 13:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Nothing specifically, I just figured thre should be a wider effort to improve the total article, and figured it would be a waste of space to make a whole new section. I'd help you out, but I've burned out my editing capacity for now. DurinsBane87 14:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh. I understand now. Yeah, the article is not very well done at all. I spun off that Plot Synopsis quickly. Probably too quickly. Ccrashh 14:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shrek 4 and Shrek 5.

"*Shrek 4 - The sequel to Shrek 3, to be released in 2010 .

The producers have referred to Shrek as being in four parts, the fourth supposedly focusing on how Shrek ended up in the swamp where we meet him in the first movie, or how Shrek and Fiona are having trouble taking care of their babies.[citation needed]


I've removed both of these entries due to absolutely no citation after an entire month of it having a fact tag on it, per WP:V. When someone can come up with a Reliable Source, then you can add it back in. dposse 03:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eddie Murphy voices fairy dust? =

It just does not make sense. 24.83.3.54 02:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

I removed this "The name Shrek likely comes from the Yiddish word שרעק (pronounced Shreck) or the German word Schreck, in either case meaning "fear" or "terror".[1]" because it is a supposition (hence WP:OR) and is unsupported by the citation. Absent finding a citation of the author of the book stating that he derived the name from German, Yiddish or Dutch (or whatever other Germanic language one chooses) there is no way this paragraph should be reinserted. •Jim62sch• 18:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What does shrek mean?? Well I would consider it to mean rough skin tone or a name for a boy. If you have any other defanitions then please type your comment. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.232.173.71 (talk) 15:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don Bluth

I removed the entire paragraph about Don Bluth. Despite it referring to "a notorious interview" and the fact that a Citation flag has been up for months, nobody has found a link to the allegations presented. Moreover, it claims Bluth had a falling out with Spielberg over the fact that Spielberg apparently did not give "Fievel Goes West" enough credit compared to "Beauty and the Beast," which leads to the obvious question: why would Bluth care when he had no involvement in the second American Tail movie? 206.218.218.57 (talk) 19:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary

I've removed the {{plot}} tag. While it could probably use a bit of a shave here and there, the summary isn't currently desperately long. --Tony Sidaway 23:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)