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[edit] This is NOT a LIST ARTICLE

Please refrain from adding more names to the list, which is only REPRESENTATIVE. There is no need for any single name to be added to the list. The point was to exemplify the category of Shredders and of players who use shredding on their playing. If we start to add names to this article, then we will end up with something like the Virtuoso article, which needed to be split in the article itself and List of virtuosi performers, and this one is risking deletion (in fact, was voted for deletion already). Regards Loudenvier 12:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


I added Yngwie J. Malmsteen's first name, since he is well known.

He was already cited as being the most influential guitarrist, there were no need to wikify his name, but it won´t hurt the overall article :-) Loudenvier 14:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


"metal players who shred excessively, such as Malmsteen" - isn't this highly opinionated?

edited to "metal players who aim to shred excessively", removing Malmsteen as he is the only one of the three mentioned guitarists who does not seek recognition for shredding excessively.

Bainzy 11:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The term came about a lot earlier than people like Malmsteen. The term "Shredding" was used for Van Halen in '78. The whole article seems really inacurate.

It seems like many people believe that any fast guitar playing is shredding (ie. A video of Django Reinhardt on youtube, he plays a quick chromatic run up the neck, and there are many comments like "The originial shredder!"). Guitarists have been playing fast for hundreds of years, shredding itself is a style of playing, not playing fast.

I fully agree, so where to start. Who defined shredding? Allan Holdsworth? In my point of view he could be a good starting point, new revolutionary technique, distorted sound, progressive rock. He is listed as influence by Van Halen, "He's the best in my book". Listen to the "Gong" recordings ... first thing like that I can find in my guitar archive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bschumann (talk • contribs) 04:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Home Shredding?

"It can also be argued that advances in technology in home recording and programmable bass/drum machines have led to a surge in the number of amateur guitarists releasing instrumental/shred albums on the internet, as they remove the high costs of studio recording and the need for a full band."

How is this related to a particular playing style? I am removing this until someone can provide with a reference or source, if there is any merit at all into this information. 194.219.45.241 00:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever seen the guitar website Guitar9.com? Look at all the albums made on there by the amateur guitarists being described, or look at the reviews on Shredaholic and The Shred Zone.... 81.179.111.116 12:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a good point. In my opinion, this is the second wave of shred guitar. The first wave was mainly from commercial companies or independant labels and arose from Mike Varney / Shrapnel Records and the discovery of Yngwie Malmsteen. The second wave has been because of the growth of digital recording and web site technologies including specialist guitar record shops like guitar9 have added to this. All of which has decreased the entry cost for players to get noticed and make a living from their playing. Indeed the growth of YouTube and Myspace has lead to the decrease in entry cost for any guitarist to get heard by wave of video footage often taken in their own home. However, I'm not sure how you would word this in this wiki pedia item.

[edit] Suggested Cleanup

This article is getting almost as ridiculous as some late 80s shredding ;), we could really do without people splitting hairs about the things described in the article and have them start to put in more effort towards making the article conform to Wikipedia standards.

Also, instead of including your favourite artist that happened to play a fast solo once in 1996, try to improve the section on the actual techniques descriptions and expand them. Those are the most important part of the article, not what bands are using them.

[edit] Tried to comform to NPOV

In my clean-up, I included a small part about the criticism sometimes attributed to shredding. This was only to expand on all the known facts about the genre — good or bad (the part about Techniques was also cleaned up heavily by me). However, I'd like to state that I myself am both a fan of shredding but sometimes also dislike the excessive stuff from Fareri/Cooley, etc. With that said, I didn't want the article to sound biased so I didn't go into too much detail about it because otherwise it might start bordering on non-NPOV. Anyway, hopefully it's alright now. --Marco —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.200.44.131 (talk) 09:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Tagged article as it still reads like unreferenced peacock fancruft. It's very close to a PROD and, lacking sources for any grand length of time may wind up AfD'd. 156.34.231.188 23:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stupidest article that I've ever seen

So this is suppose to be an article ??? Shred Guitar?? You kids are really stupid.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.105.187 (talk) 23:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

  • The article as it currently stands needs work (including references) but shred guitar (or shredding) is a known technique. To call contributors to an article "stupid" just because the article needs some work may be considered by some a personal attack.
  • I'm not currently in a position to spend time finding reliable sources to add to the article, however, students studying The Associate of Arts in Performance (Guitar) program with the Musicians Institute can take an elective course in Shred Guitar, just as they can take one in Acoustic Guitar, Classical Guitar, Rhythm Guitar, Lead Guitar, etc. [1] —TheJC (Talk • Contribs • Count) 13:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Visit youtube if you want to see the modern use of shredding. It is parody. All parody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.212.3.201 (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Myung Uses 3 fingers, not 4

the entry at the end was incorrect, even in his instructional video myung mentions he uses the first three fingers of his right hand to play, so i changed it.Leif edling (talk) 16:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Difficult nature of the term 'shred guitar'

the difficulty facing contributors is that 'shred guitar' isn't a definite musical technical term; it's a fairly subjective cultural/critical one. the sources i have contain differing opinions from various (respected) players. the subjective nature of the term needs to be made a bit clearer. furthermore, as i see it (and i think the debate within the talk page reflects this) is that there is 'shredding' as in playing fast; 'shred' as a style of playing (which i guess this article is intended to be about), mainly characterised (unsurprisingly) by fast, flashy passages; and 'shred' as an alternative term for a set of genres (or 1 genre with a few subgenres) encomapassing neoclassical rock/metal, EVH influenced (usually instrumental) rock (satch, vai, gilbert) and post-80s instrumental rock (buckethead, bumblefoot...). i do think all three (loose) definitions are within the scope of an article entitled 'shred guitar' however; even if thinking about how to explain it all gives me headache... Bridies (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The biggest problem with this article is that it gets over run with "young'ns" who think that all the "Yngwilly Dingwilly" guitarists of the neo-classical metal age are faster or somehow 'better' than the Rock, Country Blues and Jazz guitarists that came before them. Hard rockers and Prog rockers were "shredding" (with more skill and taste) than any of Mike Varney's "Schrapnel Clan" that came out of the "post-Eddie" boom. And there are no heavy metal shredders that can hold a candle to any Bluegrass, Country or Jazz "shredders" that have been rippin' the maple off of fingerboards for 75 years. Trying to keep that neutral balance in this article is near to impossible because of all the newbs who think that nobody knew how to "shred" prior to Yngwie showing up(off). I remember seeing s 17 year Shawn Lane doing stuff that Vinnie Moores and Tony Macs and Paul Gilberts would be praised for as innovative a full 10 years later. POV vs Realty vs fantasy is a long drawn out teeter-totter on this page. There are all kinds of articles about "guitar technique". Sweep picking, hybrid picking, tapping... shredding... they should all just be lumped into one article and kill as much cruft as possible. 156.34.214.181 (talk) 23:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

i've started drafting some revisions which will hopefully address some of the issues as well as provide a bit more info Bridies (talk) 00:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool. More Jazz, Country, Bluegrass, 'facts' and less neo-classical "Yngwie/Eddie-crufting" would be great. As Rik Emmett so brilliantly labelled it.... "dwiddly-dwiddly" playing. Speaking of ol' Rik... there's a guy that can play circles around the Vinnies/Tonys/Yngwies/Martys/Rustys/etc. I don't seem to recal seing his name mentioned anywhere in the article? Just shows how unreliable the page really is. Some cleanup with some valid citations (and not All Music Guide... they had out crufty unencyclopedic peacock adjectives to guitar players like its water) will be great for this page. 156.34.214.181 (talk) 00:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bass shredding

Just wish there could be some clarification about shredding on the bass...there is just one line currently, that too without citation/s, that just names billy sheehan...arguments may also be put forth for the inclusion of players such as john myung or joey demaio into the list. Just wish the section could be expanded with clarity.Leif edling (talk) 17:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The entire article can tend to lean towards WP:LC vios when everyone wants to get their POV favourite in. Joey DiMaio was in the section at one point but I think it was rm'd because it was uncited peacocking. Sheehans name always pops up as the most obvious example of bass shredding (or showboating) There are certainly others that could be included if they had some sort of verifiable ref and it was somehow pertinent to the context/content of the article. There has to be some point to mentioning them other than just list-crufting. Did that player do something no one else had done before? Are they cited as a prime example/influence/innovator of some sort of bass shredding technique? Just simply listing them for the sake of fanboyism doesn't help the article any. John Entwistles name isn't mentioned in the article and he is the king grand-daddy of all bass shredders. It would be nice to expand that section. But don't just make it a glorified fan favourite list. Give it some concrete content. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Its only due to the lack of citations that so many bassists are omitted and i wouldnt like to add any without proper citations. But as sheehan's name has no citations either, it shud be removed as well. If proper citations are found, even john entwistle may be included (as the person above me mentions). The bottom line, really, is that shredding is pretty much subjective and the word itself is not the best way to describe fast players. It seems almost analogous to having a wikipedia article for "fast guitar"! The overwhelming lack of references to bass shredding on the internet itself tells one that the word shred, as per the music that has been made to date, is pretty much inapplicable for the bass guitar.Leif edling (talk) 17:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)