Talk:Showgirls

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what film studio produced Showgirls?

MGM [[David de Paoli]]

I don't recall Nomi pushing Crystal down the stairs? Wasn't it someone else?

No, it was definately Nomi! It was the major turnaround in the plot where Nomi's character changes from "innocently involved in a bad world" to "turned bad." It's also the drive behind her conflict with other character for the rest of the movie (She gets into a fight with her best friend Molly over it and there's a good 3 minutes of footage of them arguing over it because Molly saw the dancer who claims that Nomi was nowhere near Cristal when she fell, and that dancer was looking the other way. That dancer, in turn, is covering for Nomi because Nomi covered for her when she threw the beads on the floor and injured the black dancer previously.) Drama! In the final scene Cristal forgives her, saying "There's always someone younger and hungrier coming down the stairs behind you."

Also notable, it infactually states Nomi pushed Cristal down the stairs to get ahead, but that isn't the case. It's a point of plot contention because those who *do* know that Nomi did, in fact, intentionally push Cristal think she did it to get ahead, when in fact it was an un-meditated, rash reaction to Cristal's treatment of Nomi onstage in the preceeding dance number. 151.197.51.96 05:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I read somewhere that European reaction to the film was more positive than American reaction -- and that French critics view it as a critique of American consumer culture. A blurb about that might be nice.

Hardly surprising - Europeans are more concerned with violence in movies (as opposed to nudity), whereas the American audience can't stand seeing naked human bodies. --Bicycle repairman 23:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The problem with this movie wasn't the nudity. The problems were a mediocre plot, terrible dialogue, and bad acting. MK2 16:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

"Europeans are more concerned with violence in movies..." That's not true, not here in Sweden anyways. We haven't had movie-censorship of any kind since "Casino" (ie 1995). Addicted2Sanity 05:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Missing content regarding the films NC-17 rating 2 Rape Scene 3 Version on TNT 4 Lost Character? 5 Trivia section removed from entry 6 Why is the film so poorly regarded?

[edit] Missing content regarding the films NC-17 rating

There is some interesting facts regarding the films NC-17 rating that should be included in my opinion such as:

• It was at the time, and likely still is the most widely distributed NC-17 film in the U.S.
• In order to convince many theaters that normally would not show an NC-17 film to show this one, the distributers offered their own security guards to ensure no minors would be able to enter the theaters where it was showing.
• Some anti-obscenity groups, especially some Christian based groups, picketed some theaters for showing the film. This led some theaters that had been showing the film to withdraw it.
• Supposedly, the filmakers originally thought they could use this film to show audiences outside major cities that NC-17 films wheren't simply porno films in disguise. Supposedly, the criticism of how the sexual content was treated in the film was said to give the NC-17 rating a negative connotation with many American audiences causing many studios for a time to avoid releasing films with a NC-17. Instead they where such films would be cutting for a R-rating or released unrated. The moderate success of the NC-17 film The Dreamers, apparently made studios more comfortable releasing NC-17 art films again.

If I find the time I will dig up sources for the above info and ad it myself. --Cab88 11:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rape Scene

I feel like the comments RE: the rape scene need to be referenced or cited, but I'm not sure how. A search on google for "rape scene in showgirls" brings up 21 results, and all of them lead to online discussions which discuss the scene unfavorably. It seems to be almost universally loathed, yet I can find no one authoritative citation of this fact. Pacian 06:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Loathing is an appropriate response to a rape scene. The American audience is too used to seeing rape exploited simply as a plot point in an entertainment, so it's refreshing--if disturbing--to see a rape scene portrayed as horrifically as it is in Showgirls. See "I Spit on Your Grave" for another example of a film that makes it abundantly clear that the rape scene is not intended for entertainment. As brutal as the rape scenes are in these movies, it's clear that both of them are anti-rape movies. So the scene has fulfilled its purpose. (Frankly, I'm a bit repulsed when someone suggests that the rape scene in Showgirls should somehow be softened.)lissener 05:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Version on TNT

Hilariously the version of this I am watching on TNT right now has bras and other clothing "drawn on". I feel like I'm watching some warped version of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Haven't seen any nudity whatsoever. 70.189.213.149 09:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Character?

Sorry, I saw this movie many years ago and it was so bad that I "escaped" far before the end... But it seems to me that there were a character not cited in the plot section of the article... he was a black boy, friendly with her, that told her he studied a new dance just for her. They almost have sex, but she quits -her "problems", what a good taste for a movie! Bah!-. Later in the movie she returns to this friend and she finds him with another woman, telling her he created a new dance just for her (only to have sex...).
Is it right? Is this part of this movie? If yes, although only a sub-plot, it completes the picture of a false and cruel entertainment industry, so I think it should be included in the article. Bye! --151.27.7.179 (talk) 23:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia section removed from entry

The following bits o' trivia were removed from Showgirls entry. I'm posting them here on the remote chance someone can justify their inclusion.

Trivia sections are discouraged under Wikipedia guidelines. The article could be improved by integrating relevant items and removing inappropriate ones.

• In The Simpsons episode Brother's Little Helper, Marge and Homer see the movie on their date.
• During a The Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air episode, Will goes to see the movie eight times with one time being on a date.
• In an episode of Family Guy called Hell Comes to Quahog, Peter says that cable always ruins things. Then a cut-off shows Peter laying on his bed watching TV when an announcer says "And now back to Showgirls... on TBS", which disappoints him.
• In the Family Guy album Live in Las Vegas, fictional reporter Tom Tucker describes his association between Las Vegas and Showgirls; specifically, his fantasy of "Elizabeth Berkley and Gina Gershon having girl-on-girl sex". Kinkyturnip (talk) 03:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the film so poorly regarded?

I cannot understand why this film is so mocked. Sure there is a *lot* of nudity but once you get past that the acting's not so bad nor is the script so terrible. There are plenty worse films. I think it has a certain kitschy charm. Any comments?  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 20:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)