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[edit] So, is it sheep or goat?

So, is it sheep or goat?

I think the answer is sheep. Here's my reasoning:

The Chinese character for animal in question is '羊', which is both the name of a subfamily and that of a genus. Sheep in Chinese is either '羊' or '綿羊'. Goat, on the other hand, is '山羊'. The online English-Chinese dictionaries I have consulted translate 'sheep' as either '羊' or '綿羊', but I've yet to see any that translates 'goat' to just '羊'. The Chinese Wikipedia entry for '羊' (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BE%8A) says '羊' is also known as '綿羊', meaning that the character '羊' by itself, when referring to a genus, refers to sheeps.

  • If "Sheep" is the correct term, then the box on the top right of the page ("The twelve animals of Chinese Astrology") needs correcting.--SophiaEg 10:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  • 羊 alone appears to be sheep (generically), 綿羊 is also sheep; 綿 is I think a limitator which on its own appears to be "Wadding." Sheep ( 羊 ) or sheep with ( 綿 ) is just a sheep. Mountain ( 山 ) with sheep ( 羊 ) seems to be Goat, or more specifically Mountain Sheep / Mountain Goat ( 山羊 ).
    • ( 羊 ) Sheep
    • ( 綿羊 ) Sheep / Wadding Sheep
    • ( 綿 ) Wadding
    • ( 山 ) Mountain
    • ( 山羊 ) Mountain Goat / Mountain Sheep.

Bdelisle 08:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What about "ram"? Not that it's the proper translation, but isn't it the one that is most commonly used? 24.126.199.129 07:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Apparently the ram applies to the western zodiac. But I feel that as a sheep, it should be called ram because it sounds more dignified.(Myscrnnm (talk) 06:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC))
RAM, definitely, Bill gates, Steve Jobs, and others...--213.42.23.73 (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Character

I thought the Chinese symbol for 'Year of the Sheep' was 未, as apposed to 羊, which just means 'Sheep'. I could be wrong though. Could somebody please verify which is correct. Sadako No Deshi 18:58, 18 July 2006 (BST)


No, that is totally incorrect. The character shown above (and in the main article) is seriously very wrong. It is "wei4", which has nothing to do with any animal or anything of that sort. It needs to be "yang2" as shown in the sheep/goat discussion at the top of the page. This is a huge error. I made a link pointing to the correct character, but i'm having trouble getting wikipedia to recognize characters. Hopefully someone can take it forward from here.Lesotho 16:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Papoose

I deleted Papoose the rapper from the list because firstly the link didn't go to him and secondly his birthday is December 1978. Schnizzle 08:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Celebrities Sign (chinese zodiac)

I vote for making a new article, List of Celebrities Sign (chinese zodiac) - with a list of famous persons of all signs (separeted by sign/element), something like the List of games Daniel Leite 04:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Since no one protested and I agree with you, I boldly went ahead and created the Category Category:List_of_Celebrities_(Chinese_Zodiac) and the subcategories for each sign. I'm currently adding the categories to the current Year of the Dog celebrities (I will remove the section afterwards, replacing it with a link).
Now, it would be great if you and all the other regulars (Maestro, VeronicaPR, IrishPearl etc.) would each take a Zodiac Sign and do the same, since it would take ages to do this alone. Teshik 12:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split contested, candidate for deletion

Hrmpf. In the very minute I finally got the Dog article finished, the new categories were put up into the Deletion candidates. Go here for details, and please tell if you want the categories kept, deleted, or if you got another suggestion entirely. I've stopped editing for now. Teshik 15:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] remove list of people

Do not reply here; go to centralized discussion at Talk:Rat (zodiac)#Let's remove all the celebrities lists. — coelacan — 18:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality Issues and Word choice

The changes made to this article by ip address 74.104.188.160 seems to imply negative point of view towards people of the sheep sign and have added negative traits using word choice out of place with other traits (such as the word "misery" which is a noun amoung adjectives in the negative attribute section) and negative vague phrases prone to very open ended interpretation: "nasty little pieces of work." This gives the article somewhat of a biased and vague citiation of the negative qualities of sheep. Perhaps a personal explanation of the recent additions would help? 68.34.93.159 02:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Jean

Forget about "a personal explanation". It is an inappropriate description and I have edited it. There is no need for that in wikipedia. Lesotho 03:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I've taken a look down the history page. The changes made by 74.104.188.160 are numerous, and most of them are heavily POV(He is also active at other zodiac signs). Much of the article is now more or less bias, starting with his edits made on April 5th. He has received a warning at his talk page, and I will revert his edits as good as possible. But someone else has to look over the whole thing afterwards for better quality. Teshik 22:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I have factual links that tell you the meaning of the Chinese Horoscope Sheep, etc. They are not advertising anything personal. I feel they may help the site. If you do not believe so, please remove. They were previously posted on two articles. I want to combine them and post them on each horoscope, Including this one. Ariyen (talk) 13:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The real word is Goat

There is no sheep in ancient china, as animal or zodiac sign, in other languages(italian, spanish, german, etc.) the animal is never called Sheep is called Goat. Also the sheep is from western astrology (Aries the ram)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.247.28.25 (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)