Talk:Sharif of Mecca

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[edit] Patently wrong

Anonymous #82.35.34.11 reverted my edit a few days ago with the edit summary: the "clarification" in the previous edit was patently wrong. That's fine, but I'd like a little more information on why it was patently wrong. The bulk of the edit was that Hussein bin Ali was not the last Sharif of Mecca, but rather his son Ali was. My sources are: [1], [2], and [3]. Also Britannica and the Jordanian government that Ali was King of Hejaz. The rest of my edit I don't think is controversial. - Nat Krause 15:49, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Um, there's a problem. I don't think you mean to say that the Saudis conquered Mecca in 2005. Zora 20:57, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so either; since no one else corrected it, I made the change to 1924, although the ibn Saud article seems to say the year should be 1925. Whoever knows best, please correct. TresÁrboles 05:39, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rename the article

from Sharif of Mecca to Sharif of Hejaz , does anyone agree ? Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 13:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I see the move is done, but I think it's a bad idea. Applying the Google test, there's less than 5 hits for the current title, while there is more than 13.000 for the previous one (search term; "Sharif of [name]" -wikipedia) I suggest to move it back. -- Steve Hart 22:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

But Generalization is much better for discribtion. i mean , when you say "Sharif of Mecca" the readers will think he is the governer of Mecca only , while in fact the Sharif is the governer of Hejaz. Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 12:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, Ammar. It's true that the Sharifs of Mecca ruled most of Hejaz (and sometimes areas outside the Hejaz as well), but they're most widely known as the "Sharifs of Mecca". It will be explained in the article that the Sharifs governed a large area and not only the city of Mecca, so there shouldn't be any confusion. It's like the "Emperor of Rome" or the "Kingdom of Jersalem" or the "Ottoman governor of Baghdad"; all these titles are derived from the names of capital cities even though they refer to larger areas. Slacker 12:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you right :) Ammar (^Talk - ^{Don't Talk}) 02:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)