Talk:Second anointing

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"more sure word of prophecy" or having your "calling and election made sure" as well as a reference to Peter and JS to support the different phrases that refer to the Second Anointing. --Dvhatwiki 19:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Temple ordinance?

How can an ordinance in a temple as stated in the first paragraph possibly deliver on all that is mentioned scripturally and otherwise in the remainder of the article? Is this article implying that the President of the Church sends a letter to elderly Mr. and Mrs. Mfala Ndongo of Kenya and invites them to Salt Lake to receive the Second Anointing from him? Do we have references for this assertion? We certainly can't make this stuff up. Is it possible that this article should have a duality of presentation similar to the Kolob article, in which the Second Anointing alternately meanse a temple ordinance or a direct personal inward spiritual blessing. Tom Haws 20:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I have tried to improve access to sources. In doing so, I ran across the 1993 Deseret publication of Scriptural Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (ISBN 0875796478). Since it is listed as 100 p. longer than the other editions, and lists Richard C. Galbraith as coauthor, I am uncertain as to whether it is the same book as Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Can anyone clarify this?--Blainster 17:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe it is the same text, but with cross-referencing to the scriptures. Pagination would likely be different. -Visorstuff 19:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] McConkie Citation

Article cites Mormon Doctrine, pg. 109-110, for reference to Second Anointing. In actuality, this falls under the heading of “Calling and Election Sure.” While it could be assumed that E. McConkie was covering the topic of “Second Anointing,” he in now way refers to it directly [or even indirectly for there is no heading in Mormon Doctrine for “Second Anointing,” to include a redirect to “Calling and Election” or any other topic). It is misleading to state: According to prominent 20th century Latter-day Saint Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, those who receive the Second Anointing "receive the more sure word of prophecy, which means that the Lord seals their exaltation upon them while they are yet in this life. . . . [T]heir exaltation is assured.” In the preface to the quote, it should state “Calling and Election made sure” instead of “Second Anointing.

IMHO the reference should not be there at all without another source to connect the two. Objections?
I agree that "calling and election made sure" is not necessarily the second anointing in 20th Century Mormon theology. I don't know if this doctrine existed before McConkie, but today, if someone says "calling and election made sure" in an LDS Sunday School, you know they definitely aren't talking about the Second Anointing, but rather about a special type of theophany. So the quote might have a place here, but there should at least be some explaination. COGDEN 06:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please expand and correct using these sources

http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?t=6223

http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/view.php?bn=exmobb_recovery&key=1200929251&newest=1200937409

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon508.htm

  • A man who says he received the second anointing "at the Preston England Temple on Sunday 19th May 2002" from "Elder M. Russell Ballard, of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles" said that:
    • Elder Harold G. Hillam of the First Quorum of Seventy told him "the ordinance was performed in Joseph Smith’s time but had been discontinued during President David O. McKay’s time. This resulted in only 2 of the then apostles, Harold B. Lee and Spencer W. Kimball, having had this ordinance on the death of President Joseph Fielding Smith. It was therefore re-introduced and is still practised today. (I have seen no source that quotes this suspension of the ordinance, only Elder Hillam’s word)."
    • Hillam "recommended I read all that Elder Bruce R. McConkie had written on the subject of “making your calling and election sure”."
    • After the ordinance, Hillam "asked me to nominate 2 couples I knew to receive this ordinance."
  • A person who says he/she worked at the BYU archives as a collections processor said yesterday http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?p=76868#76868
    • the library "received the papers of a man who had been one of the original Regional Representatives. If I recall correctly, this was in the 60s--possibly very early 70s. Concurrent with his call, he received a letter from one of the twelve (I don't recall which one) which invited him to come to the temple with his wife on such and such a date and receive his second endowment wherein his calling and election would be made sure. It was very similar to what this guy described and they very specifically told him to tell no one in his family what they would be doing, and suggested that they just tell their family that they would be going to a "meeting at the temple." I saw the original letter, with the GA signature. It was the first time I'd ever heard of the second anointings. If I have the dates right, it puts the date back earlier than the Harold B. Lee years--and at a lower level than apostle."
    • When his/her "dad was in the high council about 10 years ago, they had a fireside for just the stake presidency, the high councillors and their wives...." "The SP then told the group that people were quietly getting this done on an ongoing basis and that several people in our stake had done so."

Agape bright (talk) 18:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)