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[edit] Spelling mistakes

Actually there are no spelling mistakes - just American spelling and British spelling. Both are equally valid.

Karn-b 13:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there was... kinda. Seikai's best ending (daisuki) was written in Kanji - the game and various japanese websites, however, spell it in hiragana (both forms are obviously correct, however the "original" form (as used in the game) is IMHO preferable).

[edit] One whole School Days article. Or just more character information.

Hmm, there must be more information about the characters I'm thinking about. Also just put the char images right...Uh. I mean, there are much more characters than only the 5 that are now stating. But I see all the character on the School Days (anime) article though. Maybe copypasta information from that article. Like, Hikari and others missing.

Or, maybe just put the two articles together in one article of School Days, to avoid 2 articles almost about the same thing. And I think it's more effective. I vote for this option. Opinions? DarkShadozer 09:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I support a merge. _dk 10:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah thanks, I don't know how to work with Wikipedia so thanks for the support. Also, I've got the feeling I know you from a Touhou forum. But that's irrelevant information. Still thanks. DarkShadozer 15:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Uh yeah, I rarely post there, I'm quite surprised someone knows me from there o_o. _dk 01:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I guess merging is a good idea (Got implusive when I heard the news, sorry). The character images will be replaced then? Also, I think it's a good idea to switch to anime infobox instead of keeping the game one.Shadic189 00:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes it's good to keep the anime one..Also because the anime starts airing in...4 days or something. About the character images, I don't know what you actually mean, but you could pick all the pics from the official 0verflow forum, right? Copy those images to this article, and add extra information about the character if possible.( I don't know if people can read Japanese here )DarkShadozer 11:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I mean I will change the images used to identify the character with the anime screenshots when it's out. It will look better that way. Shadic189 12:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay I agree with you. Do it. ^_^ DarkShadozer 14:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Replace image on the infobox with the anime logo too. 142.232.8.8 16:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Now it's merged, It's probably handy that the anime information must be good visible as well. A line between the game and the anime would be appreciated. (Sorry, I have no clue how to edit). Thanks guys for the merge.DarkShadozer 00:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the infobox image's fine like that....... 66.183.215.186 01:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character Voices

Many (if not all of) the voice actors credited for the characters in the anime are actually the same ones as in the game, only in the credits for the game they are using aliases. What is Wikipedia's policy regarding seiyuu pseudonyms? ChibiKareshi 08:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna scrap the aliases. --HashiriyaGDB 18:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect the aliases to their real names, I think that would be better. _dk 22:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How long has Makoto been secretly checking out Kotonoha?

Article says years, but I think it isn't since they are only in first year of high school, unless both of them also went to same middle school which was never mentioned (hence it's not possible). 66.183.215.186 11:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. You're right. Makoto found Kotonoha after they entered "Gakuen" (it is not mentioned as "high school", because all the characters in eroge must be over 18 years old). The date Makoto found Kotonoha differs between the game and anime. In the game, it was "at the beginning of the second semester" (in Japan, it's September). In the anime, it was "the day of entrance celemony" (in Japan, it's April). Also, it was clearly stated in the game that Makoto and Kotonoha went to different junior-high. Anyway, the length should not be "years".--Impromptu 11:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
May I suggest "months" instead of "years"? Could someone verify if they can be used as replacement? Animeronin 14:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I would personally say that what was meant was that Makoto had been noticing Kotonoha for a while, making it not a matter of time.Thenightsshadow 16:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the "Infamous Makoto"

If the Endings section of the article, there's this line that seems to come out of hatred for the main character of the story rather than facts, IMHO. It is tagged correctly as needing citation and being disputed in neutrality, of course. Someone has how to verify this information? Even more importantly, even if confirmed as being correct information, is that information even relevant to the article for it to remain there at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.12.30.158 (talk) 05:10, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up the neutrality issues, but a citation still might be useful as to the popular opinions about Makoto and what he deserves. I think it reads fairly factual and neutral now. --Billdorr 09:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I see people constantly adding negative words for Makoto. Please do remember this is an encyclopedia and not a place to express your fury upon a fictional entity.--殺人事件 | talk 19:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Saying that the words "Indecisive Womanizer" has a negative connotation is in itself an opinion - I could just as easily conclude that Makoto was awesome because of his "Don Juan-ism". The fact of the matter is that Makoto had sex with a multitude of girls and is unwilling to choose between them. To say that he's simply indecisive or "unwilling to choose" is hardly adequete, seeing as it doesn't lead to a full explanation regarding the subject's notability. --Sqrfrk 19:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I have discussed the anime in a number of forums where Makoto is in fact idolized for his good fortune in his sexual encounters, "Indecisive Womanizer" isn't meant to be positive or negative it's meant to be accurate. Makoto is not an unwilling victim fighting off the advances of the females surrounding him, he is quite the opposite. Conversely there is no evidence to support the statement "Makoto is at heart a kind person who has trouble expressing his feelings" he may well have trouble expressing his feelings but his behavior indicates that his only interest is for his own pleasure and wellbeing. --Max Vitor 19:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
You misunderstand - I'm FOR the usage of "indecisive womanizer" on the very basis that it was an accurate descriptor of his character. I'm simply making a rebuttal of the post I'm replying to, in light of the edits made at the time of the post. --Sqrfrk (talk) 02:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I didn't space my response correctly, I wasn't refering to your remarks but the previous ones. --Max Vitor (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh. Well...carry on :D --Sqrfrk (talk) 02:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that he was compared to Kimi ga Nozomu Eien's Narumi Takayuki and White Album's Fujii Touya as one of the worst main protagonists. It was mentioned on the Chinese and Japanese wiki as well. I think the information should be put up there (wasn't it on before anyways?). 66.183.215.186 22:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes. He is the worst protagonist I've seen in my life. What I'm trying to say is don't just write negative adjectives around his profile because you hate him.--殺人事件 | talk 05:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't me, it was already put on there before. And I doubt that it really is a personal thing since it is also on the Jap and Chinese wiki as well, it's possible that it has been announced offically by fans in Japan? 66.183.215.186 23:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
"Announced officially by fans in Japan." Who or what organization would make such an official statement? Opinion is opinion. Inclusion of statements on other language wikis doesn't change that. I've not played the game, only seen the anime, but based on that I can agree with the opinion that he's a despicable guy who's just using them for sex. Doesn't mean I'm going to edit an objective encyclopedia article to say that. See WP:SOAP. --Billdorr 06:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Fans can't officially announce anything....From what I gather, what sets Makoto from other protagonists-of-hate is that he tends to act opposite of what the player chooses in the original game. That's why the fans hate him so much. _dk 06:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Well it was more like a comparison than opinion.......... 66.183.215.186 23:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
But who is doing the comparison? This could very easily fall under original research if the comparison is made by a Wikipedia editor and not a column or article in an issue of Newtype or Megami, for example. Popular fan opinions gathered on 4chan, 2channel, or any other anime/manga/video game board are similarly invalid as encyclopedic content due to them not exactly being reputable, verifiable, or reliable sources of information, not to mention the posts vanish within hours making it even more impossible to cite them as a source. --Billdorr 23:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
That I don't know. Oh well, forget what I said then. 66.183.215.186 16:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode 10 Summary

Author seem to be pretty sure that Setsuna had sex with Makoto. It was discussed in many anime boards and there is no direct evidence of that. Many people think it's doubtful that he beded her beacuse he hesiteted after Setusna gave her speech about breaking with all girls. Anyway, we can't be really certain about that so it shouldn't be presented as a fact.

Correct. This subject is still even a subject of debate, considering that even the episode 11 didn't bother trying to explain such issue. I'm editting it. Klashikari 10:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Nothing related to to main page, or maybe it is, BUT IS THIS ANIME HENTAI??? I'm getting nowhere reading this page and I've already seen the first two episodes. Are the sex scenes shown or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AznMyth (talk • contribs) 07:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not, yet sex and the relationships stemming from such are heavy themes in the anime which drive the story. Sorry to break it to you but there are no explicit depictions whatsoever. The most you'll see is the 'after' where they're buttoning up their shirts ready to go back to class or school.Fox816 15:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the NICE BOAT incident

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isn´t the episode 12 incident known as "nice boat" shouldn´t be featured in this article? thank you Minako-Chan* 23:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been addressed under the Delay Finale section. I haven't seen the boats yet so I'm not sure how nice they are. Fox816 00:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
"nice boat" is little more than a 2ch/4chan meme, and thus purely fancruft. It's sufficiently dealt with in the current article. --Billdorr 02:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The 30 miniutes of nature scenery is labeled as episode "11.5," I do not know the source. 66.183.215.186 08:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper mentioned the Nice Boat catchphrase in one of its commentaries on the axe murder, and included a table of Yahoo! Japan's top 10 search keywords last week...where "Nice boat" ranked tenth. Whether this is notable for mention on Wikipedia or not...I'll leave you to discuss. _dk 10:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of "nice boat", the boat that Kotonoha sailed in the end of the story is pretty nice, too......

"The anime series Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, also known for violent scenes involving teenage girls wielding axes, had its 12th episode delayed by 4 days in response to the murder." Um, how about no?! See List_of_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_characters - it's a CLEAVER. Could we please not repeat the mistakes the japanese media made during the coverage of this "story"? --88.73.64.217 11:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

A bit of trivia: Rena actually used an axe to kill Teppei and Rina in the original game. But the whole paragraph is off topic anyways, so I'll just remove the whole thing. _dk 11:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia wrong parts. "Animated TV series of 70 stories or more huge animated full story is in progress." Wikipedia is written and Japan. English Wikipedia, "at least 70 minutes of animation," says. This is a machine translation mistake. Care because editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.19.63.213 (talk) 22:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Heart Kokoro-chan

I heard that this was going to be a comedic spin-off anime of the series, set to air in March 2008. Anyone else know anything about it? Raven23 19:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Not sure. Unless something official appears, best to keep rumors out of the article (if anyone was thinking about placing it in). Otherwise, just keep your eyes open for any official or reliable and cited word of any spin-off series. I wouldn't be surprised if one was made. Fox816 03:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Anime News Network has the story, and credits Moonphase as it's source, which in turn links to this page with an image of Kokoro in full magical girl costume and is taking pre-orders for the DVD for about ¥5500 (and people whine about how expensive anime is in the US!). --Billdorr 23:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't credit this line with myself saying this, but there is an ulterior motive behind the production.

Maybe they're trying to replicate the Nanoha Effect.

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LOL --Animeronin (talk) 07:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Epi: 12

Hi sorry for asking but the last episodes double murder scene played a dramatic song and I wanted to know what was it? LoliMedia (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The song played during Episode 12 was Kanashimi no Mukou e by Kanako Itou. Raven23 (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is the game available in other languages?

I was just wondering whether the game was available in any languages other than japanese? Also should this be addressed somewhere in the main article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiyoura Setsuna (talk • contribs) 05:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Never mind I found a group who are translating it.Kiyoura Setsuna (talk) 08:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

The game has a Chinese translated patch released by a certain tarnslation team. The English translation is in progress. - pmc (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
can you post where u can find it? the English Edit?

[edit] NPOV Tag on Ending Section

I have put an NPOV tag for the reason of statements behind the "Best of the good ending" (See And to Kotonoha Ending), "Worst of the good ending" (See The him and only for her ending), etc. I'd like to question the degree of the "goodness" of a certain ending this article based its standards on, because it certainly does not apply to me, and probably to many other people reading this article.

I will go ahead and edit the article properly within the next few days, unless if anyone has objections behind this proposal of NPOV. L46kok (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citing something from an episode?

I know that Makoto's blood type has been removed from the article before for not having a citation, but it is stated in Episode 12 of the anime. How exactly does one cite that? Raven23 (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I use this citation : [1]. Just check the edit for the format. Fox816 (talk)

[edit] Split list of episodes and characters into sub-articles?

Perhaps the list of episodes should be split into another article because it's too long to fit in the main article. As for the list of characters, either we could add in more information for a new article or cut it down. Cloud668 (talk) 06:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Either that, or we sumarize further each episode to make it "fit" in the main article. --Animeronin (talk) 10:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
The character list would be too small to sustain itself and would probably end up being merged back into the main article sometime down the line. There really isn't that much information that's out-of-universe to expand each character and too much in-universe info will be fancrufty. If current size is an issue we can summarize the prose some more for each character. As for the episodes we can possibly split that into an article yet a whole revamp to shorten each episode should be done first to see how it comes out. We could also try a hybrid of episodes and the game endings into one article perhaps? That way we could expand more on the game, anime, and manga including but not limited to Reception and Development sections, etc... Fox816 (talk) 00:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that it wouldn't be a good idea to have both the list of episodes and game endings to be in one article, but rather split them into two articles. Looking at other visual novel articles with good article status, I think we should probably cut down a bit about the endings, and futher summarize the episode list, while moving it to a sub-article too. Cloud668 (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking at visual novel articles of GA quality, most of them (if not all) have a subarticle on episodes (and they aren't that long, too), so I've added a tag, if anyone is interested in splitting it. -- クラウド６６８ 00:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manga Plot

The manga is Different from the anime and Visual novels should we create a section for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.230.46.56 (talk) 16:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibly. I was thinking that we might compare Makoto's manga personality with his personality in the game and anime, as they are vastly and obviously different. Raven23 (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Extra PS2 endings?

I've seen some other endings on Youtube that were apparently exclusive to the PS2 version of the game. (And a lot of trains were involved.) Does anyone have any info on them? I saw them, but I didn't have a clue what they were saying... 70.178.181.97 (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unclear Line

"Her family is very rich, with both of her parents working, and lives in a large house away from the city." The line in check might refer to Kotonoha Katsura living far away from the city in a large house, or her parents doing the same, please confirm which is it, and either message me on my talk page to make the edits, or add the revised statement yourself. AlexRoxUrSox (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)