Talk:Scarface (1983 film)

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[edit] Scarface and hip-hop

This section needs to go... at the very least it needs chopping down to 2 or 3 lines and made part of a section dealing with the movies influence on culture. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article about scarface the movie, not MTV cribs or interviews with rappers. Motor 00:19, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Lopez

I just deleted User:Wiki brah's article Frank Lopez, as per AFD. Any useful information below should be merged into the article. Ingoolemo talk 19:49, 2005 September 6 (UTC)

Frank Lopez is the character played by Robert Loggia in the cult classic 1983 movie Scarface. In the movie Frank Lopez is portrayed as an aging and complacent drug lord who is content to sit on his profits and not ruffle too many feathers. He is the one that takes Tony Montana into his confidence when he was just starting out in the cocaine business only to attempt to have Montana executed for appearing too ambitious. Montana survives the assassination attempt and gets his revenge by shooting Frank Lopez in his own office later that night.

just a quik note tony didnt kill lopez manny did




[edit] FUCKIIN LELLO???

IT IS YAYO AS IN YELLOW. COCAINE. HE DOESN'T TELL THE DUDE TO GET FUCKING "llello" look at a copy of the damn script.

Calmn down, you sound like a whiny 10 year old. Anyway, he does say yeyo, but it's really a misprounciation of the word llello. So both are right, he says yeyo, because he flubbed llello. EDIT - Apparently, we're both wrong, listen to Cowami down below me, lol, he's not talking out of his ass. I also confirmed what he's saying with an Argentinian friend.Communist47 15:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, "llello" is correct, since in Spanish, double l's are pronounced with a y-sound, like caballo. Thought I ought to put that in. Cowami, Worshipper of Qeueue 00:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for clearing that up man, explains a lot. :) Communist47 03:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)



[edit] Who is Denise?

In the "trivia" section concerning Elvira, reference is made to someone named "Denise" without explaining who Denise is. Bulbous 04:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can gather, Denise was mistakenly used by the author instead of Nicole, as Nicole Brown Simpson's older sister was named Denise.--Will.r.french 19:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Stop adding hip-hop songs about the film

I created List of songs influenced by the 1983 film Scarface, add them to that and not to this article. Buzda 03:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protect?

This seems to be one of the more vandalised articles I have seen. Is protection in order? Bulbous 00:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] character inspiration

I'm removing the character inspiration section added the other day, someone recently added it filled completely with awful guesses at connections with little regard for historical fact. None of the connections between the characters in the film and the historical people they are supposed to represent can be found online, and most are noticeably false for the simple fact that the real people hadn't become known about until after the film was in theaters, or are completely removed geographically. The film came out in 1983, with Oliver Stone working on the screenplay from 1981-1982. Chronological errors include Barry Seal becoming a police informant a year after Scarface came out, Richard Caride making headlines in 1985. Robert Vesco wasn't even living in the U.S. when George Jung was in prison, he fled the U.S. in the early 70's and bounced around from Costa Rica to the Caribbean without returning. No character in the movie is even remotely comparable to Spain's Franco (can't believe someone even suggested that), the el Gordo character is only referenced in the movie as a U.S. distributor (the character he is supposedly patterned after was a complely dissimilar person in Colombia), Guillermo Cano didn't do big stories on Escobar until the year the film was in theaters, Delorean wasn't a car salesman and his bust was months before the film came out (his publicized trial came about when the movie was finished). Moe Kessler is a nonexistent person in the context mentioned, and "FRANK" as used by the British in a drug campaign is a reference to a knowledgeable friend speaking "frankly" (not sure how someone could even assume that an anti-drug campaign in Britain borrows its name for getting permission to do a coke deal.

Currently this artile says, using weak language, that the character may have been based on a wrestler from the 1970s. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me, I've never heard of anything like it and there's no citation there. Snowfire51 01:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Critical reception

I just finished watching the two disc special edition. DePalma says that the film was well received by one notable critic, Vincent Canby of the New York Times. Someone had incorrectly noted that Roger Ebert was that critic, who actually does praise the film but probably retroactively. Check the DVD and DePalma says Vincent Canby. you can also check http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1018324-scarface/

--Substantiate 01:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually Ebert gave an enthusiastic review in 1983. See the movie review query engine (mrqe.com) and search Scarface.

Filmprinz 13:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Filmprinz


[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Scarface.jpg

Image:Scarface.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] What does this mean?

The Batman recreates the traditional villain based on Al Capone as based more on Tony Montana. This version is voiced by Dan Castellaneta. Who is based on what based on who based on what?? Clarify, please. -Gohst 05:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It was added by a anon user some time ago [1], the user is probably never coming back to explain it and the edit per se seems awfully speculative, I suggest removing it since there are probably no reliable reference available. Though the edit appears to be related with the Ventriloquist, a comics character that has a dummy named Scarface.-凶 06:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It still doesn't make any sense as written, though. -Gohst 09:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] In Pop Culture

Influence on other works

The final bullet point suggesting that the number in Blink-182's name comes from the number of times Pacino said the word "fuck" is not mentioned on Blink-182's wiki page. This is likely because the reference on the Scarface page is some site in Spanish that seems inappropriate to use as an encyclopedic reference. Upon a google search, the most convincing reference I could find was this one: http://www.blink-182.org/facts.articles.html?show_article=6, claiming to be from a Rolling Stone article from 1998 on the band. It says that Tom DeLonge claimed Scarface is where the number came from. I would surmise, and I have heard this before, that there is no particular reason for the number in Blink-182's name. So, if the Rolling Stone article is real, the Wikipedia article on Scarface should say that, in an interview with Rolling Stone, Tom DeLonge claimed that Blink-182 took the number in their name from the number of times Pacino says the word "fuck" in Scarface, though this claim is contradicted by the band members elsewhere.-Ahenobarbus 08:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I remember one of the band's members claiming this in an interview that I saw once, several years ago... Not that I'm a reliable sorce by any means, but I'm pretty sure that that was the first place that I heard that claim, so I assume it's true. It would certainly be a huge coincidence that these numbers just happen to be the same, especially considering the impact that this movie made with persons of the band's generation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.177.172 (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I've a FWFR on the site: Scent of a Cuban. Not meant as an offence to Cubans. Excuse me, Cubans. Gregorik (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)



[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Scarface xboxboxboxart 160w.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Alex Sosa, Manny Ribera, Frank Lopez

[edit] Rebenga (Scarface)

I agree to the merge as long as only the relevant info is merged into the main article. --Nreive (talk) 09:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Merge, Rebenga is one of those characters that only appear to be killed, there is no way we can turn that into a encyclopedic article. - Caribbean~H.Q. 09:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Scarface

Template:Scarface has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Hnsampat (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Specials' "Gangsters"

The song is from 1979 so it is certainly not a reference to this particular movie. I will remove this. --Buxbaum666 (talk) 10:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)