Talk:San Ysidro McDonald's massacre

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[edit] "Murder-Suicide"?

This is currently categorized under Murder-Suicide, but the article states that the gunman was killed by a police sniper. Is there something I'm missing here? 70.7.133.200 (talk) 03:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Victims' names

Should the list of victims be re-included? It seems right... but something more specific than "retired truck driver" seems appropriate.

From this photo I can tell that the memorial includes all 21 names. But I can't make them out. Is anyone in that area, who'd be willing to go check?

-Adam

I'm glad that they put the victims names and I added 6 of the Survivors.

[edit] Odd sentence

I removed "At the time it was the worst single-day massacre in U.S. history." See Battle of Antietam, for one.

Dear Unsigned,
"Odd sentence?" That may be true, but there's no need to remove the sentence altogether. It's obvious that the term "worst single-day massacre" refers only to non-military killings in U.S. history. To be sure, the Battle of Antietam was the bloodiest battle in U.S. history, but it was not a massacre of civilians by civilians.
I will reinsert the sentence but clarify that it was the worst shooting spree in U.S. history at the time.--Unregistered User 6 June 2008

[edit] Copycat Crime

Wasn't there also some guy in the mid nineties who shot up a McDonald's. I vaugley remeber it happening after that move "Falling Down" came out. Maybe I was just hearing the story wrong and they were referring back to this incident.

You are thinking about the Luby's massacre in Texas, but there was a movie called Bloody Wednesday and it is on Amazon.com TVSRR 19:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Rewrote awkward sentence

Freeman MacNeil is now (25 years until parole eligibilty is reached) in a maximum security prison in Renous, New Brunswick.

This was a weird sentence, so I rewrote it. However, I don't have the information about the actual criminal sentencing. The sentence as quoted above (as it originally appeared), in addition to being terribly written, is ambiguous. 25 years from the time this article was written, or 25 years from the sentencing? Someone with knowledge of the subject should clear that up. Torgo 22:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split

This article for some reason discusses two different incidents, although the incidents are largely unrelated accept for the fact that they both took place at McDonald's restaurants. joturner 03:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I removed the whole second section. It should be either it's own article or not be int. - brenneman {L} 07:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I split the two articles as requested. They definitely deserve seperate articles. Valoem talk 05:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] McMurder?

I work in the news industry in San Diego (the market includes San Ysidro), and have never heard the term McMurder. An internet search did reveal use of the term, but it's hardly widespread enough to be cited in an encyclopedia. (For reference, "McFart" and "McTrash" all return lots of hits on Google, but we don't include separate sections on them.) Any comments before I change the name of the article, and its references? Photomikey 03:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree; the reference to McMurder should be removed. But what do you think should be changed in the name of the article? --Satori Son 19:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I also agree. The term "McMurder" that your Googling turns up is a sort of campaign slogan by militant vegetarian activists opposed to the fact that McDonalds sells meat products. It has nothign to do with this massacre. I will remove the line. -- Securiger 21:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

There are a few people who knew that James Oliver Huberty was a racist and wrote in his journal before he burned it "I want to kill people who are not like me because I am a white devil peckerwood." The day before, James called a black person the N-word the day before the massacre. The black person recognized the killer on a news report.

The term McMassacre returns mostly hits directly relevant to this case. I'm not sure that there are enough search-engine hits for the term to justify its inclusion at the moment, though. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music?

It's been said that Huberty carried a boombox to the massacre with him, and blasted the song, "Warrior" by the group Scandal as he shot people. The lyrics seem pretty surreal if this is true. Is there any way this can be confirmed and included in the article?

I heard this story too, but the version I heard said that the song came over the radio and Huberty danced around to it as he shot people. Sounds like an urban legend to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.191.25 (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Past Work History/behavoir

In 1964, I was Jim's mentor as an apprentice embalmer/funeral director in Canton OH.

He liked to talk about his father being a portrait artist but never mentioned his mother or siblings. He was fasinated by guns.

He exhibited very anti-social behavoir. His co-workers thought of him as odd and he had no friends that I recall. During viewing hours at the funeral home, if people stayed beyond the normalvisiting hours, he would pace back and forth mutter "get out". If that failed, he would start turning out the lights. I cautioned him about that type of behavoir and he told me he didn't care. With something like three monts of employment he was fired for improper conduct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdcmadmax (talk • contribs) 19:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] how many victims?

The opening paragraph says 21, but the list of names says 22. So, how many were killed?Jlujan69

   *22 Including him died in the incident, but he killed 21 personally.
    what I want to know is if there were 15 injuries or 19 injuries, because it states both in the article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatsketch (talk • contribs) 10:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline or Aftermath?

Does anyone have a detailed timeline of this event? It was probably printed in the local papers at the time. Also, were there any policy changes that came about from this? I vaguely remember the police being roundly criticized for allowing him to live so long, but don't know if anything came of it.

The criticism has been added.--Rockero 00:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] anyone uninjured

Does anyone know if there was anyone that was not injured at all?

JP

[edit] deleted the old anti-Mayor Sanders newspaper article quotes

Looks like it was put in around the time someone didn't want him to become mayor. He won anyway. Besides, the "local" (Spanish language) newspaper quoted is totally unknown to me, and I've been a San Diego local my whole life. That paper seemed to be more than a bit biased, feel free to quote the San Diego Union-Tribune or CNN if you feel Jerry Sanders was drunk and couldn't find his car keys while some wacko shot up the town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.6.196 (talk) 19:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)