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68.145.66.69 22:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)==General==
It would be noteworthy to include what media he was in when he stated he was "A pumpkin that hunts penguins for the phone company", as I don't know and I'd imgaine most don't.
In Pandora Tommorrow, it was quoted by a man (whose name I do not remember) trapped in a freezing tank. Sam Fisher announces sarcastically that he works for the phone company and he needs his phone to track down Norman Soth (AKA Mortified Penguin). Sam being called a pumpkin is a Cinderella reference. Sam wishes the night to be over due to the situation and the man jests that he will turn into a pumpkin.70.231.239.1 10:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to clean up the background page. Especially the part about his actions in the upcoming game. As the website is just promotional right now all the information should be regarded as speculative.
However, the new bio wl be summarized. TotalTommyTerror 16:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I've stricken the line about him being a character from Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell novels, as the novels were not written by Tom Clancy and were not written until after the initial game's release. The character was based on Tom Clancy's world but not created by Clancy himself. TotalTommyTerror 17:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm scrspping the part about Sam's daughter not knowing until Double Agent what Sam's job is. In the first game she says that the news said that Sam's team beat Nikolaidze
[edit] Overhaul
I went through and made some big changes. A lot of it were grammatical changes (you're supposed to have 2 spaces after ending a sentence hot dangit!), and a lot more in presentation.
I created a template for the Fisher image, because I like those quick bio snapshots and I think it makes the pages look more professional.
I removed the speculative information about the next game. I am aware that there is a website up right now (bewaresamfisher.com) that has information about Sam's role in the new game. But until the game is released this promotional information is speculative at best. Until it becomes SC canon, it should not be regarded as factual information about the character.
I made some changes in the presentation of the facts. I know the novel has more background on the character (and I assume it can be regarded as canon) but there was even more speculative information drawn from that. Assumptions don't belong on a wiki page. On a discussion page, yes, but not on a fact page. (Some of these included the possible nature of Fisher's fighting style, and historical/military background. Worded as such with "It is possible".)
I organised the weapons under the "Tactics and Equipment" section. Before, all the weapons had their own sections, they are now all under the aforementioned group. I also removed the "thoughts" about the changing of the weapon names to avoid copyright infringement. As I don't believe that was truth and even the notes I removed were guessing on the matter.
I will watch this page and will make efforts to delete any of the "speculative" information guessing to the role of Sam in the next game. It is not established that it is indeed he who is a robber baron now, and until the 4th game's story is revealed in entirety this information is not fact.
Promotional material is not canon!
TotalTommyTerror 18:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
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- I was going to mention how you're supposed to have 2 spaces after ending a sentence is a bit of a pointless thing to pick up on - are you going to go over the whole of Wikipedia correcting something that dates back to typewriters and monospaced fonts and is actually wrong is this context? - but the line A lot of it were grammatical changes just made me crack up.
[edit] Weapon Notes
Though I've never seen an official note about the SC and SC20k being based on their real world counterparts (it's fairly obvious) the connection is already mentioned. Adding it again is redundant so please stop.
Someone seems convinced that Sam's multipurpose launcher is an F303: Wrong. It fires a variety of less lethal 40mm ammunition, whereas the F303 can only fire .68 caliber riot rounds typically filled with Oleoresin Capsicum(pepper spray). This conclusion is supported by the weapon's in-game model, which is almost identical to FN Herstal's underslung grenade launcher, and very much unlike the F303. Furthermore, the F303 fires from a 15-round rotary magazine, whereas the game's multipurpose launcher is loaded one round at a time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.55.25.64 (talk • contribs) .
- I seem to remember the first Splinter Cell's instruction manual referring to the grenade launcher under the SC-20K as an F2000. Just trying to make sure I'm not the only one who noticed that, or if I read wrong or something. Woodrow Buzard 04:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
In the ps2 version (at the beginning of the cia headquarters level), the audio voiceover explicitly refers to the weapon as "your F2000", even though the subtitles say "your sc-20k"
I was about to type what the person above me said, but my friend pointed it out for me. It's true for the x-box version as well. So yes, I believe it is based on it.
At the beginning, they used FN's F2000, and that's why it's in the soundfile. they changed in calling it a SC-20K to avoid copyright trouble. Probably missed that one file, but most people dont even notice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.64.190 (talk) 20:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A little bio change
I removed this quote: "The website for the third game established that by this point he was a SEAL, fully integrated with his team and deploying into the Middle East from a carrier." It was established clear in the beginning of the second game that Sam Fisher was a SEAL. I also edited this passage to reflect this. Gibson Cowboy 15:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
On the list of visited countries, there should be mentioning of Iraq/Kuwait... in Chaos Theory mission three he claims "I spent most of the rest of that year in a ditch on the road between Bagdad and Kuwait" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.64.190 (talk) 20:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Age?
Could someone determine Fisher's age? I read somewhere that he was 54 in CT. Would be nice if someone could clear this up.
Sam Fisher is born in 1957. It says so in the booklet (NOTE: booklet NOT book!!!) of CT. (Pay attention now!!!)
The book probably isn't cannical to the main series- judging from Fisher's diffrent personality, 3rd Echelon's diffrent roster of employees and how exactly Fisher's job operates- so the bits about him gleamed from the book- like his wife's death- may not, in turn, have actually happened in the real series. It would probably be best if this was mentioned.
According to the Splinter Cell : Double Agent booklet, Fisher's age set to 43! The Booklet said Sam Fisher is born in 1966. This new age setting would make the old Fisher's family setting unconvinced.
That makes him around the same age as Michael Jackson70.132.3.225 03:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps he was given a "new" age while going undercover? 213.64.18.236 21:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
He was born in 1957, In the first Splinter Cell novel, which takes place in 2004, Sam states he is 47 years old when he is talking to his Krav Maga instructor Katia Lorenstern. So by 2010 six years after the first novel takes place he should be turning 53 years of age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.80.236 (talk) 23:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Height -- silly question
Does anyone know why Fisher is average at 5'10" instead of taller? I mean, are clandestine operatives supposed to be compactly built?
I guess if he was taller, he wouldn't be able to crawl and sneak so easily...¨83.243.30.224
And why does it say he's 5'9" in the bio, but 5'10 on the panel? Besides that, he looks much taller in-game, and is usually taller than all the enemies.
He usually appears taller when close to enemies because when he grabs people he forces their knees to bend at a 45 degree angle, making them appear a whole head shorter while being held. Also when approaching an enemy he is usually crouched and not displaying his actual height.70.132.3.225 03:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
178cm is not that short. And besides, it does give a somewhat masculine look, cause he is compactly built, in fact. In DA he seems 178cm.
Various Ubisoft sources give it as 5'10 or 6'0 although 5'10 appears more accurate. Yanksta x 01:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed he gets bigger (muscularly) with each successive game? In the original game, he was athletically, but solidly built. He also looked (build/weight wise) about 77kg, as he was said to be in the manual. By the cutscenes in Chaos Theory, he looks much more solid, almost to the point of being cumbersome, and probably much heavier than 77kg.
it says he's that tall/heavy in the chaos theory manual (xbox, page 2), can someone remove the 'citation needed' bit? --124.177.64.157 11:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Sam is 5'10 barefoot, in shoes he is 5'11.5, and in his combat boots he is 6'0.5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.80.236 (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Five-seveN
'5.7 mm ammo is touted by FN to be able to penetrate NATO kevlar vests and helmets...' using the ss190 round, yes. but yes, a suppressor would also reduce its effectiveness -Lordraydens 09:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Its relative ineffectiveness is probably due to the round's low stopping power- If the suppression prevented the round from penetrating armor, it would be completely ineffective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.55.25.64 (talk • contribs) .
Most players would agree it is worthless in combat. That is why we aim for the heads and shoot out lights with it instead.70.132.3.225 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the videos for SCCT, the SC pistol's silencer is superior to that of the SC-20K. I think it was meant that way, more as a utility than a weapon. That's certainly how I use it. 24.255.157.153 (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mutli-handedness
Added the fact that Sam seems to be multi-handed, as he can switch which hand he fires his rifle and pistol with in Chaos Theory. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.63.71.41 (talk • contribs) .
This isn't really a big deal, but in CT, if Sam is equally adept at firing with both hands (which he is), then the correct term would be ambidextrous, not mixed-handed, meaning dextrous with one hand in some things, and dextrous with other things in the other hand.J-stan
[edit] "A gruff and no-nonsense type of person"
I don't think he's a "no-nonsense type of guy", at all. If it wasn't for the constant (in-)jokes over the OPSAT, then maybe then I would approve. --nlitement [talk] 20:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
No-nonsense people don't crack jokes? Jokes aren't neccessarily "nonsense". -Libertarian92
Agreed, jokes aren't necessarily "nonsense." That said, I think by "no-nonsense" people imagine a character more like a drill sergeant: someone so stereotypically unwavering that any sign of "humanness" is completely unexpected. But that's just my opinion. -ExNoctem 16:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clothing
I added some information on the clothing Sam wears on his missions, in the game. Though I think it might need some improvement. So if anybody could look into it, and might add some stuff, I would appreciate it --Jort227 16:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I think there's no argument that he simply wears a wetsuit with a lot of high-tech fitting. He travels through a lot of water and any other clothing will not accept such amount of spelunking.70.231.229.66 14:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] SC-20K
I think you should also include why the sc-20k was a modification of th fn2000 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gothica3333 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
It's got a damned cool multipurpose launcher and the 5.56 ammo is very common to scavenge across the world.70.231.254.106 08:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "A certain sound"
Someone mentioned that Sam's "hero sense" has been in the series throughout. When spotted or arousing suspicion of the enemy, the player is always alerted by a distinct sound, with an accompanying change in the dynamic music soundtrack. I'd call it a "dunk" sound don't you guys think? You can hear the sound in the multiplayer games when someone grabs their opponent or gets grabbed.
- The "dunk" sound, as you put it, is called a atinger. Arrowdynamicsx (talk) 10:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Speaking of "Hero Sense", I have noticed in many first-person shooters (Splinter Cell series, Hitman Blood Money, etc.) that lights can be seen through seemingly solid and opaqe objects (I.E. the player). What's up with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.157.153 (talk) 23:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sam Fisher.jpg
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[edit] External links
Why is this section blank?... _> MonstaPro:Talk:Contrib. 00:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spoiler template
As there are many game plot-points discussed in the course of the article, surely there should be some note made that the article contains spoilers?.... _> MonstaPro:Talk:Contrib. 00:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lambert?
has it been confirmed that conviction follows the ending that lambert lives or dies? please tell which one.--drumman8510 05:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image?
Am I pulling at straws here or does the main image not justify what Sam Fischer look like? we need a picture of him in trifocals as the 4 previous games instead of the current one?Wikimindless 20:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Samuel Leo Fisher?
As a long time Splinter Cell fan I'm quite surprised that his middle name is Leo, as it is never mentioned in the games (PC versions). The article says: "His full name, Samuel Leo Fisher, is seen when he was using the computer in the Osprey to encrypt his call home in Splinter Cell". I checked every video sequence and there is NO hint that Sam's middle name is Leo. The only thing the computer in the Osprey says is "Samuel Fisher Residence". Could somebody confirm that Samuel Leo Fisher is correct?
[edit] Kevlar fibers?
If I remember correctly, as of Splinter Cell: Checkmate his new suit was made of RhinoHide, a DARPA-invented version of DragonSkin. Is Checkmate considered caonical?
The games are more relevant than the novels. If one of the Splinter Cell games makes mention of his suit's material, then it should be regarded as correct. If a game does not tell something about Sam Fisher, but a novel does, the novel should be held as caonical until a game makes mention of the particular attribute.
[edit] Three-lensed goggles
Sam's iconic goggles often raise the question: Why does it have three lenses if Sam has two eyes? It's never been officially commented on (that I know of), other than in a roundabout way in production notes regarding the fact that Night Vision and Thermal would normally not be in one pair of goggles in real life with today's technology; much too complicated. But they took artistic liberty because it would just be awkward to having him constantly switching. Anyway, there are a handful of theories for what lens #3 does, all of which are pure speculation at this time:
1. It's an large Infrared Emitter, a common item on night vision goggles that provide a light source only goggles can see. Like the emitters on the penthouse cameras in Chaos Theory. It's a lot bigger than most of them are, though.
2. It's the thermal vision part, separated from the two night vision lenses due to technical restrictions. It works by channeling its monocular point of view down to Sam's two eye pieces. This is somewhat plausible since most thermal cams are not binocular, but only receive the image through one lens.
3. It has many functions (some above included), most of which were added as sequels came out, like laser mic, EEV, or electromagnetic vision.
While there's no confirmation, this can live here for now for curious fans. Legitimus 17:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Shetland and Fisher
In the Personality section, it dosen't discuss the meaning of "I wouldn't shoot an old friend" when Fisher shoots Shetland. I was thinking that it meant that Fisher no longer considered Shetland as a friend anymore (Because of Shetland's betrayal) when he shoots him, or that he considers Shetland to not be the same man he once knew, but a fanatic who's hatred for his country made him a man responsible for the deaths of thousands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.202.224 (talk) 18:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- It's actually a dual meaning, because the player can choose what to do. Fisher can shoot Shetland, taken to indicate Shetland is no longer a friend or is no longer the same person. Or Fisher can holster his gun, to which Shetland raises his gun again to kill Fisher, but Fisher stabs him, which technically is not "shooting" an old friend.Legitimus (talk) 16:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
