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[edit] EPILEPSY

I read in my guide to Epilepsy that St. Valentine is the patron saint of the condition. I don't know how widely recognised it is but, if it can be adequately sourced, I think it should be included. I'll look for further references but if anyone else knows anything about it go ahead. PlayCollective 15:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

  • "Apparently, Claudius had outlawed marriage in Rome due to the fact that he perceived families as weakening his army. Saint Valentine, however, refused to obey this edict and continued practicing marriage ceremonies. Eventually, Claudius found out about this and had him imprisoned...."
If a source could be found for this fantasy, it could go right into the article. As it is, it's nonsense. --Wetman 07:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that this information should be excluded, but it should be properly identified as being apocryphal. (I've heard this myth, as well as a few others). It is factual that there are numerous legends about St Valentine, and it is quite proper to detail the existence of this mythology (while maintaining its total lack of factual basis). Manning 01:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
We don't ordinarily ever "hear" rumors about Roman history (and pop them right into Wikipedia): we read them. Once this silly bit has been sourced, then the silliness is not Wikipedia's silliness and there's no problem. --Wetman 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think St. Valentine "murdered thousands of Jews." Perhaps that part should be removed or at least citations should be provided. 74.166.108.247 20:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martyered how?

How did the 3 St V 'candidates' die? There seems no actual facts about them...

[edit] WE KNOW HIS BIRTHPLACE

The article shows some mystakes, especially about the Irish and French relics. Where are the sources?

The sponsio, the marriage or ius conubii, and the conventius in manus, meaning confarreatio and coemptio, were never prohibited. Also, it is a mistake the following sentence: "His birth date and birthplace are unknown."

If we consider the most reliable sources of Vaticano,, we have that Saint Valentine was a Roman citizen born in Terni, Umbria (Italy) in 175 AD and was killed in the year 273 by another Roman, Placidus Furius, who obeyd his emperor Aurelius (aka Aurelianus) because the religious Valentine had practiced a Christian marriage between a pagan soldier of Rome, Sabinus, and a young Christian, Serapias. You can also read Professor Valentina Nonnoi's writing on "il Sardegna" #38-IV, feb 8 2007.

Saint Valentine is really existed, we know his birth and birthplace, and his true relics can be only found in two different regions of Italy, Sardinia and Umbria. Other relics are fake or not recognized by Vaticano.

The legend about the lovers started during the Middle Ages and even later in France and England, but it has nothing to do with the true story of this Roman Saint, whose birthplace is well known. P.S. Terni once belonged to Rome.

Please, about Terni and Saint Valentine read the webpages: http://www.bellaumbria.net/Terni/San_Valentino.htm http://www.umbriaearte.it/spiritualita.htm --Jack 16:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

"The most reliable sources of Vaticano" might be double-checked at Catholic Encyclopedia, for a start. Asserting the legend only makes it so in hagiography. --Wetman 03:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/100.html St Valentine died for his God first of all, and for no other reason, that is huge misconception that people got used to over centuries~! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.1.213 (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ST VALENTINE REMAINS ARE REPUTED TO BE IN DUBLIN AND NOT ROME

It may not be widely known outside Ireland that the Carmelite Church in Whitefriar Street in Dublin City claims to hold the remains of St Valentine. The Carmelites first arrived in Ireland in 1271, and today there is a community of 17 in the Monastery attached to Whitefriar Street Church. The story of how the remains of St Valentine came to rest in Whitefriar Street is interesting, and involves a famous nineteenth-century Carmelite attached to the Church, Fr John Spratt. Fr Spratt visited Rome in 1835, and apparently largely on the strength of his powers as a preacher, Pope Gregory XVI decided to make his Church a gift of St Valentine's body, then believed to be in the Cemetery of St Hippolitus in Rome. The remains of Valentine were duly transferred to Whitefriar Street Church in 1836, and since that date have been venerated there, especially around the time of the Saint's Feast Day.

As is the case with some other famous saints, there are rival claimants for the honour of possessing the body of St Valentine, and in view of past scandals concerning the manufacture and sale of relics, authenticating them is notoriously difficult. Thus some accounts claim that the remains of St Valentine were in fact buried in the Church of St Praxedes in Rome. It is stated that Valentine of Terni is buried in that town, and an effigy of him in bishop's dress may be viewed there. In 1999 there was widespread newspaper and television coverage of the claim that St Francis's Church in Glasgow holds the 'real' relics of St Valentine. In response to the implication that Whitefriar Street possesses only a False Valentine, there were calls for DNA testing, which of course are wide of the mark as there exists no point of comparison. Yet it may legitimately be asked how a Dublin priest could have persuaded tourism-conscious Romans to part with such a draw as the complete remains of St Valentine, and what we have here is a minor historical mystery. Perhaps a selection of relics is all that might have been donated to Dublin, and publication of relevant contemporary documents would help to throw some light on the matter.

The Whitefriar Street Carmelites have now published online the following translation of a letter in Latin which accompanied the remains of St Valentine when they arrived in Dublin:

   We, Charles, by the divine mercy, Bishop of Sabina of the Holy Roman Church, Cardinal Odescalchi Arch Priest of the Sacred Liberian Basilica, Vicar General of our most Holy Father the Pope and Judge in Ordinary of the Roman Curia and of its Districts, etc, etc.

   To all and everyone who shall inspect these our present letters, we certify and attest, that for the greater glory of the omnipotent God and veneration of his saints, we have freely given to the Very Reverend Father Spratt, Master of Sacred Theology of the Order of Calced Carmelites of the convent of that Order at Dublin, in Ireland, the blessed body of St Valentine, martyr, which we ourselves by the command of the most Holy Father Pope Gregory XVI on the 27th day of December 1835, have taken out of the cemetery of St Hippolytus in the Tiburtine Way, together with a small vessel tinged with his blood and have deposited them in a wooden case covered with painted paper, well closed, tied with a red silk ribbon and sealed with our seals and we have so delivered and consigned to him, and we have granted unto him power in the Lord, to the end that he may retain to himself, give to others, transmit beyond the city (Rome) and in any church, oratory or chapel, to expose and place the said blessed holy body for the public veneration of the faithful without, however, an Office and Mass, conformably to the decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites, promulgated on the 11th day of August 1691.

   In testimony whereof, these letters, testimonial subscribed with our hand, and sealed with our seal, we have directed to be expedited by the undersigned keeper of sacred relics.

   Rome, from our Palace, the 29th day of the month of January 1836.

   C.Cardinal Vicar

   Regd. Tom 3. Page 291

   Philip Ludovici Pro-Custos

For those wishing to visit St Valentine's Shrine in Dublin, Whitefriar Street Church is located between Aungier Street and Wexford Street, and is just a few minutes' walk west of St Stephen's Green. Within the Whitefriar Street Church building there is a shop where one can purchase various souvenirs, such as cards, keyrings and other material bearing Valentine's image. Unlike most other surviving inner city churches in Dublin, Whitefriar Street always seems to be busy, and as well as the shrine to St Valentine, there are shrines to the Black Madonna and St Albert. The Whitefriar Street Fathers today emphasise St Valentine's association 'with young people and their needs as they grow into maturity and adult life'. To express it more romantically, the Whitefriar Street Shrine to St Valentine has been and continues to be a place of pilgrimage for those celebrating love - as well as for those who have lost it or have yet to find it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.203.39 (talk) 10:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)