Talk:Saint Patrick's Battalion

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Contents 1 External links 2 Battle of Cerro Gordo 3 POV 4 Article improvements 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Irish st Patricks battalion stamp.jpg 6 Fact/POV tags 7 "Erin Go Bragh!"

[edit] External links

Yesterday, I added a note indicating that the last link on the external links list was a site that required paid membership before one could see the article in question. Today, I see that said note had been removed. Can anyone explain why? Thanks.--Theoldanarchist 03:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

After seeing that Infrogmation had removed my note refered to above, I went ahead and deleted the last link altogether.--Charles 04:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I meant to remove the link all together, as it can not be accessed without payment. -- Infrogmation 05:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought that was probably your intention. Frankly, I'd like to read the article in question, but I'm not paying to do so. --Charles 04:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Cerro Gordo

The phrase ", almost single-handedly winning the Battle of Cerro Gordo" suggests that the Mexican Army and the San Patricios won the Battle of Cerro Gordo, which they clearly did not.

[edit] POV

The whole tone of this article, from the opening paragraph, is sharply POV, arguably religiously. Attaching Lincoln to the its last sentence, for example, is grossly POV; Lincoln did not commit treason, however strong his feelings against the war. All the information given could be addressed in a neutral voice and still be valuable. Allegations that "protestant American officers encouraged desecration, condoned rape etc." needs to be documented by source citation, since as written it implies it was common and accepted practice, which it was not. Methinks the author is either very young or has an axe to grind.--Buckboard 06:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article improvements

I'd still like to make this article better, but I'm pretty sure I've hit a dead end in terms of what I can personally do for it. Ways to improve this article would be to:

• Go into more details about the Saint Patrick's Battalion flag, of which there was reportedly more than one.
• Have somebody who knows more about Mexican history & speaks Spanish to determine wether any more battle reports from General Anaya exist & wether they give more details about the battalion.
• Find more references & citatations.

Provided the latter two things are done I dont see any reason why this cant be a good article or even a featured one. By the way why is this considered part of the law WikiProject? Speaking of Wikiprojects, this should be apart of the Mexican one. --Fennessy 19:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your deletion of this entry, Fennessy, because I think it will be helpful for future editors to see what was previously discussed as far as article improvements are concerned. ---Cathal 15:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Haha sure no problem, I thought I'd covered the whole flag thing since writing this entry, and also realised the wiki law project marker was added by a bot, making those parts abit irrelevant, but whatever. Glad you think people might find it useful I guess!

Someone may want to:

• go into detail regarding the background of John Riley, the battalion's commanding officer. He evidently was a "soldier of fortune" who had deserted the British army as well. (P1340) 16 March 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.5.53 (talk) 13:10, 16 March 2008 (68.126.5.53 (talk) 13:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)(68.126.5.53 (talk) 13:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Irish st Patricks battalion stamp.jpg

Image:Irish st Patricks battalion stamp.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 23:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fact/POV tags

I tagged this article with fact, POV and tone tags. I am surprised that this had not been done already given the rampant POV. I know it is an article that people feel strongly about, but encyclopaedic values must be maintained. Barbara Wainscott 14:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

You inexplicably deleted some factually accurate information, but other than that the edits were vaild. The fact markers are needed and can easily be filled in with the relevent sources in the next few days, but I'm taking down the POV and tone tags unless you can get specific about what you object to that remains in the article. Fennessy 17:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I am pretty OK with the current version. One minor quibble is that, grammatically

Irishmen, Germans, Swiss, Scotsmen and other European Catholics of European descent

should read as Irish, Germans, Swiss, Scots and other Catholics of European descent.

Another is: Unfortunately, this was also considered true of the 5,000 Irish emigres who had fought honorably on the U.S. side in the Mexican-American War by their American contemporaries - what does this mean??

Thanks,Barbara Wainscott 18:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't even notice the Irishmen/scotsmen thing. Its just how people talk I guess.
As for your second point, I actually have no idea what it means. I recieved alot of input from Hogan(the author mentioned in the reference section) when writing this article. Feel free to modify/delete it. Fennessy 18:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Erin Go Bragh!"

what does the slogan mean? Amendezg (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

My Gaelic is not great, so this is not an exact translation, but it basically means "Long live Ireland". ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 20:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

"Erin Go Bragh" is an anglicisation of the Irish "Éirinn go brách". Which (as you note) might be translated as "Ireland forever". It is equivalent to "Éirinn go deo", and is not easily translated literally, but is roughly equivalent to "Ireland until eternity". (Compare "Ireland until the end (of time)", or "Ireland until judgement day", etc). Guliolopez (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well done, lad! That is some fantastic work. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 22:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)