Talk:Saint Joseph's Oratory
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[edit] Requested move
In accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions (WP:UE), I recommend this article be moved to Saint Joseph's Oratory, which is the common English name for the building. Have you ever heard anyone call it "Saint-Joseph du Mont-Royal" in English? I would say it's not even common in French. I would just move it myself but "Saint Joseph's Oratory" has a history Larineso 05:18, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
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- Suppport. If an English name exists it should be used. – AxSkov (T) 05:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
- The English name should be used not if it exists, but if it is the most commonly used name among English speakers. However, that is the case in this situation, and therefore, support. - Montréalais 01:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
- Support. The full English name is actually "Saint Joseph's Oratory of Mount Royal", but "Saint Joseph's Oratory" alone is far more common. - Farquard 18:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Since there seems to be no problem with consensus, I will move this article. - Montréalais 08:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed, and to cope with the variable naming (St Joseph's, St Joseph's Oratory, Saint Joseph's Oratory (by far the most common) redirects can be made). --Msanford (talk) 19:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] About those miracles
People don't leave their crutches behind (especially in days past when such items were very costly) unless they no longer need them and wish to use them as a testament. I visited the site just three weeks ago and the crutches by the thousands line several walls. While you are free to be a non believer you do not have license to dipute the work and deeds of a Saint of the Catholic Church. These medically unexplained healings are the primary reason for this magnificent church as the money was donated by people who had/have no doubts about their miracle. This part is non negotiable. I'll have to continue to change to make this clear. Otherwise, the article is a fine but brief article. I am currently researching some facts to add to the article on this impressive church.
Spelling error "ever year" also, I think that "supposedly healed" sounds somewhat partisan, perhaps "believed to have healed" or something of the like. Maybe a mention of JD Rockerfeller's financial support would be in order. I won't edit, as I'm just learning the ropes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.131.194.135 (talk • contribs) .
- I think "Supposedly healed" sounds VERY partisan and as there is documented proof that these people WERE healed and no documented proof that it was mass psychosis, I'll change. If you change it back, I'll change it again. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.126.11.65 (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Fr. Andre's heart ?
When i visited the oratory in 1993, there was a glass case which supposedly contained Fr. Andre's preserved heart (i saw this with my own eyes)... An adjoining rumor was that the heart was a replacement, as the real had been stolen as a sick sort of 'prank' back in the '60s. I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand knowledge of such a thing, as i did not see it referred to in the article, and was looking for substantiation. Thoughts?
[edit] Construction cost baseline year
The "Construction cost" field in the infobox should clearly state which year is used as the baseline currency. I have a strong suspicion that the cost was 2.3M $ 1967 dollars, and not 2008 dollars, which represents a serious difference. --Msanford (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
