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[edit] First International tsarist russian game fake?

  • finland was part of russia in 1912 so how could they play against russia? it would be like englands VS. devon or something of that nature. Pure inuyasha 21:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, indeed. I don't see why pre-1922 statistics are included in the article, while the Soviet staistics are excluded. For one thing, Russian Federation is not legally a successor to the Russian Empire, while it is a successor to the Soviet Union in all its property, liabilities, etc. --Ghirla -трёп- 13:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
    • When recognizing the USSR, most nations recognized the USSR as the successor to the Russian Empire. - Sikon 11:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • It would be more like Denmark vs. Faroe Islands... Conscious 08:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hiddink Coaching Russia

Finally Russia get a good coach. What does everyone think abouyt this???

Well, it's a little too late for the World Cup '06, isn't it? :(

[edit] USSR → Russia?

The official 2006 World Cup website has allocated USSR's records to the Russia team. See here. I would just like to say that I don't think Wikipedia should follow suit. It's not like Germany inheriting West Germany's record. They don't even wear the same kit.

I've noticed though, that Football Federation of USSR redirects to Football Union of Russia. Is it really the same organisation?
 SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  23:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

No it's not, and there's a separate article on the USSR national football team. BTW I always wonder what the difference between Russia and Germany (or, say, Serbia) is. Russia, at least, is the legal successor to USSR. Conscious 08:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
If Russia doesn't inherit USSR's record, why does it inherit the record of Imperial Russia? Bull-Dozer (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag

Why does the template:Infobox National football team have the flag of Imperial Russia on games which took place after 1896? According to List of Russian flags the current Russian flag was also in use then. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 22:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red or white kits?

I'm not 100% certain on this, but according to FIFA's official website (link) Russia play in red kits now, not white. They played in red at home to England which seems to confirm this. Anyone know any more? 21 November 2007.

[edit] Russia(n)

Should this article be "Russia" or "Russian" national football team? —ScouterSig 23:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

"Russia". This is common English usage, see Category:European national football teams. Conscious (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul to Russian national football team history section

Hello to all russian football fans or anyone interested, this is thedefenceman. Just so you all know, I am in the process of revamping the history section of the article. I want to make it more fluid and readable otherwise it looks like a laundry list. I also want to include more key people such as players and managers who impacted Russian football Lastly I thought it maybe necessary get rid of the vast tournament detail in order to focus on major events and turning points but I have not decided on that yet.

Thank you, and I hope that this will benfit the overall article and I am completly open to comments or suggestions and encourage people to leave them. But I ask everyone to PLEASE NOT REVERT OR CHANGE THE CURRENT WORK IN PROGRESS.

Thanks again,

Thedefenceman (talk) 04:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biggest win (7-0 against San Marino)

It says in the template that Russia's biggest win was against San Marino in 1995, which ended 7-0. It also says that the game was held in San Marino, which means it was an away game? If so, the places of teams should be switched (e.g. San Marino 0-7 Russia). Artyom (talk • contribs) 23:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Y Done. I switched them.   Jhony  |  Talk   13:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russia Soccer History

If "FIFA considers the Russia national team the direct descendant of the CIS and USSR national teams," then why isn't there records exist before the 1994 world cup? Kingjeff (talk) 00:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think everyone has decided to keep those records separate for clarity and more relevance. Same has been done for Serbia, Czech Republic, etc. --Palffy 01:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Merging makes sense, splitting also makes sense. So who cares? :)  Jhony   02:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

But a very clear table that clearly seperates each section into time periods should be good enough. Not including these records makes out that they were really seperate teams when they're not. Kingjeff (talk) 05:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Well they kind of were different teams. If their records were put together, then there would be no need for the USSR National Football Team article, etc. Besides, the USSR National Football Team has its own records (such as Blokhin holding the most appearances and goals) and its certainly far from recognized that those records were set for the Russian National Football Team, considering he never played a game for them. I think this could be a very divisive issue if the status quo was changed... --Palffy 01:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Kingjeff, take a look at http://fifa.com/associations/association=rus/ranking/gender=m/index.html (Honours section), FIFA recognize USSR and Russia as the same team. However Ukrainian editors like Palffy will argue to the death against a possible merge, so we have separate articles so far...  Jhony   01:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I personally won't get in on this argument--I probably am pretty biased with regards to the subject--(and besides, I like Kingjeff as an editor =))..but I just don't see the need to put the records together--I think it's more accurate and specific when the records are kept separate of each other. Feel free to ask others' opinions about this, but I'm thinking this might be nitpicking and we're probably better off adding new content to WP than debating something trivial. --Palffy 04:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I doubt that everyone share your view on clarity, relevance, accuracy etc. Anyway WP:OR (Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought) is still a policy.  Jhony   11:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Palffy can argue what ever he wants to death. But from what I've seen in these discussions is that FIFA declaration stands. Kingjeff (talk) 06:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I think logic would say to seperate into pre-soviet era (If there is one), the Soviet era and post soviet era distinctly with showing 4 different totals. Kingjeff (talk) 06:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You mean Russian Empire, Soviet Union, CIS and Russian Federation eras? Yeah, hovewer it would be better if we obtain a wider consensus (for example, at WP:FOOTY).  Jhony   11:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree about getting consensus. But in all cases I've seen, it's always gone to what FIFA says about it. Kingjeff (talk) 15:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems discussion on this issue has died. I'm wondering whether we are going to proceed with including the Soviet records in this article? We don't need to delete the Soviet article, which should be left alone, but we do need to include Soviet records here. FIFA makes these rules, not Wikipedia. --Mad Max (talk) 06:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)