Talk:Royal Standard of Scotland

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[edit] references

Why is an unreliable blog used as a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.2.198 (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Usage Banned

  • I was wondering why the article dosent mention about the usage of this flag being limited to royalty and certain dignitaries only.

    The article just casually mentions that the act of using the flag is illigal in sporting events, it does not however mention the reason behind it.

    Also if I'm not mistaken, now days they allow the general public to use the flag on certain specific days of national celebration.

    I'll add this to the article if there's no disagreements.

    --Pavithran 14:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It is illegal for the public to fly the Lion Rampant from a building. In 1934, the King issued a Royal Warrant saying the public should by allowed to wave the Lion Rampant by hand to show their loyalty to the crown. There's some debate as to whether this is truly legal, or if the King was acting illegally, not that anybody in Scotland other than a few pedants actually gives a hoot. Don't have time to find a reference for this, but it's out there. --Charlie Tango 22:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Standard or Armorial Banner

I think that this article is actually about an armorial banner. A Standard is a completely different vexillological item. Perhaps this article could be edited along the lines of the Royal Standard of Great Britain article, which makes clear that this usage of the word "standard" is strictly incorrect, though widely used.--Eva db 11:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Lion Rampant when used by a Scottish Republican

I'm new to Wikipedia.

Hey, I made an edit to the article Royal Standard of Scotland, which is the article you get re-directed to when you search for "lion rampant".

Exactly I added this -


The Lion Rampant, as the Standard of Scotland, has also been called the "Scottish National Standard" in the context of its use by a Scottish republican when asserting a claim of right to use this traditional leadership flag of the Scots.

[edit] External links


But the change I made has been reverted back to the original and I'm none the wiser who did it or why.

Now if there is no agreement on even mentioning Scottish republicans who use the lion rampant or linking to such an external site, maybe I should write a new article, named "Lion Rampant"?

User talk:Peter Dow

Don't add links to your own website to Wikipedia, it is considered to be spam. The link is not considered to be important. Astrotrain 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are the Lion Rampant and the Royal Standard of Scotland the same thing?

Are the Lion Rampant and the Royal Standard of Scotland the same thing?

The lion rampant is frequently mentioned as a component of coats of arms, yet this refers to the red, guling(?), lion as also seen on the Royal Standard of Scotland, not the standard itself. For an example of this see Clan MacDuff.

I am curious about the origins of the Lion Rampant. How did a red Lion come to represent Scotland? In medieval times, how did the Scots even know about Lions? I think this is a subject separate from the Royal Standard of Scotland. --Fergie 10:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Lions would be known- Romans fed the Christains to lions remember. Astrotrain 10:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
There are no end of lions on Pictish stones. David killing the lion or Daniel in the lions den were popular religious themes, the one for kings, the other for saints. Most likely they were copied from imported materials from the Eastern Med or beyond. One image is thought to have been copied from silverware made in Afghanistan. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
But why the 'Lion Rampant'? Where did this style of heraldic lion first originate?--Fergie 11:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
William I is the man who picked it, and he wasn't very original. It's a very, very common symbol. Flanders (black lion, gold field), Brabant (gold lion, black field), Limburg (red lion, white field), Zeeland (red lion, gold field), the Netherlands (gold lion, blue field), Halland (white lion, blue field), Västergötland (gold and black lion on a black and gold field) and Smaland (red line, gold field) are just some of the places with rampant-ish lions on their arms or flags. No doubt someone will claim to have been first. I imagine William copied someone else's arms, changing the colours, rather than being inspired by the sight of a lion. Or maybe he did see one: James V kept one at Stirling Castle, so you never know. Better yet, Edgar sent a camel, or maybe an elephant, as a gift to the High King of Ireland in 1105: "In the above year a camel, an animal of remarkable size, was brought from the king of Alba to Muirchertach Ua Briain." It doesn't do to imagine that Scotland was at the end of the world [well, it was, but it wasn't the back of beyond if you see what I mean] in times past. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Other examples: Royal Arms of Norway (very similar to the Scottish arms, but reversed colours) and the arms of Gothenburg (the city was founded by Scots, Dutch and Germans). (Pedantic note: its Småland, with an "å"). --Mais oui! 11:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)