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[edit] 'King Leer

A user has raised a query at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Question about Line guide in Noarlunga Centre railway line, Adelaide regarding the appearance of 'leer' within certain diagrams. Although the specific problem seems to have been resolved, it did raise the issue about usage of 'leer' in the diagrams.

I have since noticed that hovering the cursor over clear space in a diagram brings up the 'tooltip' showing "leer" or the name of the icon - this doesn't appear helpful, since the user is more likely to want some legend-type text rather than the icon filename.

Not sure that anything can be done about this,, but thought I'd bring it up here, as the topic has not (obviously) been discussed previously

EdJogg (talk) 00:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notes on changes on Template:BS-overlap

(Due to the arguments in the above section,) in {{BS}} templates, when calling 'leer' or when simply leaving out in the icon parameter, Image:BSicon .svg nor Image:BSicon leer.svg will not be called. Instead, that table cell is simply left empty, with dimensions of {{BSpx}}×{{BSpx}} by default. A row which used to have n icons would still occupy the spaces for n icons. One should be careful that, for example, {{BS5}} may appear as {{BS3}} or {{BS}} if some icons were empty. Have not found error yet in my IE7.0.5730.13 and FF2.0.0.14. – PeterCX&Talk 16:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry reverted... I can't solve the display problem for collapsible tables... – PeterCX&Talk 17:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Central and Chelsea-Hackney Services

Based on reading up on things, i have made SIMPLE diagrams of what i foresee for services on the future Central Line and with the proposed Chelsea-Hackney Line. Just ideas in my sandbox. Check it out please.Dkpintar (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Your sandbox is empty... – PeterCX&Talk 13:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
the diagrams are up now; it took a bit of "tweaking" to get the best presentation.Dkpintar (talk) 16:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I've taken them down now, but if anyone is still interested in them, let me know.82.24.135.204 (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proper name

Does anyone know what file name I should upload this under? It would be useful for Reading to Plymouth Line (the M&SWJR Cheltenham to Andover Jn). Tompw (talk) (review) 12:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably eKRZudl, based on some dl-side branch icons like dlKRZ and dlBHF , and also the fact naming of the two series of crossing is highly related (lfKRZu and KRZulf ).
And btw a comment is that branches have to be made curved like KRZulf and KRZurg . Perhaps you would like to re-make one by combining the above two icons? – PeterCX&Talk 10:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary and so confusion "correction"

This article gives a sort of tutorial on using the icons. That entails virtually learning a new programming language with a certain added Freude. I feel there ought to be an easier way of drawing a railway line. But the example given here of code and map do not agree. Maybe the code for the Eurostar route as was was given and somehow a later Eurostar route map was moved into the article. Whatever example is first given (actual or notional) should be kept with its resultant map even if the physical track has changed.--SilasW (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the inconvenience. Updated just now. – PeterCX&Talk 04:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
User "Peterwhy" says "Updated just now." If by apologising he claims some responsibility for the code-text/map discrepancy then perhaps more care is needed (he does claim, probably unwisely, to be 16-y-o)) but the error has not gone away. To test the current version I changed "|St. Pancras]]"s to "|St. Pancreas]]"s and found that next to one changed example code a "St. Pancras" was shown. With one mistyped "Panceras" a "Pancreas" came on the adjoining map. Maps in examples must be derived from the adjacent code in the text of the article. It would be better if rather than being a real line the example were made up so now cross-pollination could occur. To repeat: Maps must show what the nearby code says.--SilasW (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Well you meant I have to be responsible for some kind of vandalism, such as those you tried, didn't you? I have double checked that the two route diagrams are the same as the two groups of codes shown, and also removed that connection to {{Eurostar}}, so that any changes in that remote template would not affect here. So any changes would be due to any changes from irresponsible editors, by changing only one of the two codes. So, sorry again, I am not going to be responsible for those vandalisms. – PeterCX&Talk 14:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I think "SilasW" would do well to remember that this is a volunteer effort, and to temper his/her approach to seeking to get improvements made to any tutorial provided here. There are better and worse ways of asking for improvements and asking for help...
Meanwhile, although there is some complexity to route diagrams, there is not that much. Most of us figured it out by looking at the source of the many hundreds of maps on the wiki. I'm puzzled that that approach has not struck "SilasW".
"SilasW" says "I feel there ought to be an easier way of drawing a railway line." I trust he/she is big enough to forgive us for working within the limitations of mediawiki, rather than implementing a simpler (but entirely non functioning) approach. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry that Peterwhy sees a hidden allegation of vandalism in my reply where none was made. If I see vandalism I make it clear and revert. I imagined that the map was picking up something from another place, which Peterwhy seems to have removed. Tagishsimon says we should live with the present drawing method because "most of us" (whoever they may be) "figured it out" (which suggests that clarity of explanation is not a feature of the system) "by looking at the many hundreds of maps" (which again indicates an absence of clear basic instructions). Someone who seems to have the same thought as I do has produced a program Spoorstrip which I've not yet tried to try. --SilasW (talk) 20:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
希斯洛機場快線 Heathrow Express
KBFa
倫敦帕丁頓站
BHF
希斯洛機場1,2及3號客運大樓站
exSTRrg eABZrf
exKBFe STR
希斯洛機場5號客運大樓站 (未來總站)
KBFe
希斯洛機場4號客運大樓站
There's something you must learn from trial and error. We made it in our own sandbox page until we finished crafting our "masterpieces". Like copying the codes to your sandbox then make some change of the icons or anything else. if you really want some starter sample, just look at the table I placed here, a simplified form of Heathrow Express found in ZH WP. If you have any question regarding the diagram mechanics, ask here or in the relative icon talk page and most of us will try our best to respond. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 23:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Also there is a sandbox (Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Sandbox) for you and everyone to learn this "programming language". And if you rather not, still you may try that Spoorstrip WYSIWYG program, though the icon variety is probably less.
This "programming language" structure is of few parts for each diagram. Taking Sameboat's example:
  1. {| {{Railway line header}}
    ...
    |}
    For formating the whole collapsible table
  2. {{UKrail-header2|希斯洛機場快線 Heathrow Express|#000066}}
    For creating that deep-blue header, accepting title and colour
  3. {{BS-table1}}
    ...
    |}
    For forming the inner table
  4. {{BS2||KBFa||[[帕丁頓車站|倫敦帕丁頓站]]}}
    {{BS2||BHF||希斯洛機場1,2及3號客運大樓站}}
    {{BS2|exSTRrg|eABZrf}}
    {{BS2|exKBFe|STR||希斯洛機場5號客運大樓站 ''(未來總站)''}}
    {{BS2||KBFe||希斯洛機場4號客運大樓站}}
    For showing map icons and descriptions
– PeterCX&Talk 12:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)