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A fact from Rose Dugdale appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 9 November 2007.

[edit] Engaged?

Was she briefly engaged to Major Derek Andre Alton-Nagel (born 1920?). - Kittybrewster ☎ 13:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Is that the one from your website by any chance? There's nothing in any of my sources about it, and I'm tending to think her rather wide rebellious streak might have prevented it. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 13:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Search some newspaper databases, it will probably come up in the Times, &c. --Counter-revolutionary 14:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Really nice work, as usual, ONiH. I was just about to go to DYK to nominate the hook about their marriage, and saw BHG had beaten me to it. There really were some fascinating minor characters involved in the Troubles. Rockpocket 16:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just added another alt hook, in case the other two fall foul of this new introduction. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 16:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

BLP concerns, my arse. What, dare I say it, anglocentric nonsense ;) Rockpocket 17:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Was she granddaughter of a peer? - Kittybrewster ☎ 11:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Love the article

However, "IRA's political wing Sinn Féin" - highly POV statement to make dont you think?--Vintagekits 17:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Not particularly! I prefer that to "alleged by the world and his dog but denied by SF"..... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 17:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Have to say I dont agree with you. Its a controvertial and POV statement imo.--Vintagekits 19:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How about "the Republican Movement's political wing" then? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

what about "the largest political party within the Irish republican movement"?--Vintagekits 19:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How about what can be sourced to over 50 sources? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Its still POV - there are a lot of sources to say its not as well. --Vintagekits (talk) 14:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Really? Let's see them! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Come on girlyman you know its POV, they are "closly associated" with the PIRA but to say that they are the political wing POV.--Vintagekits (talk) 14:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well no. The problem is that for the majority of Rose's tenure SF were unashamedly the IRA's political wing, and happily admitted to it. Only since the 90s has there been the alleged break between the two, and not many commentators take it seriously. Plus there's also the problem that if you remove the phrase in question there's no link in the article between SF and the IRA to the uninitiated. So as before, feel free to suggest something suitable, blanket removal isn't on. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well then the statement needs to clarified and qualified.--Vintagekits (talk) 14:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Something I've always been in favour of if necessary..... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Oi! thought you were going to put it in couched terms!--Vintagekits (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

(deindent) "considered by some to be the "political wing" of the IRA" - not when it's that wrong. Firstly as above that doesn't take into account that for the majority of her tenure they freely admitted to being the political wing, and who are the "some"? Pretty much everyone except SF thinks they still are. New York Times still think so, so if sources say so we shouldn't be bending over backwards reporting what SF think if nobody else gives it any credibility. I think the best way out might be some clarification in a footnote? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 15:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Your right ONIH, I was pandering, on wiki to long, should stick to my guns. --Domer48 (talk) 15:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)