Talk:Ron Rivera

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[edit] Introduction

The introduction to this article is not sufficient. It should be at least two sentences and needs to cover Rivera's current pursuit. Erechtheus 07:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ron Rivera is officially out as Bears defensive coordinator. It is official. ShadowJester, stop reverting the changes.

According to ESPN, The Bears are considering letting him go. [1] Unless there has been some announcement, I don't think it's official. I don't have the ESPN Channel, but Yahoo Sports and ChicagoBears.com have not yet reported Rivera's leave. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  21:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

ESPN is often very slow on reporting the news. It's been reported by numerous media outlets, including Fox Sports. You should go check it out before repeatedly reverting changes. Enigmaman 21:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Very well, sorry for the confusion. Please remember to post sources in the future when dealing with breaking news. See WP:V and WP:Cite. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  21:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Ummm, what? I did post the source (I posted the foxsports.com article) and you deleted it. Twice. [see that last bit about him not having his contract renewed and the ensuing link to the foxsports article? That's what I had posted previously as well.] Also, ESPN reported this at 3:30 PM Eastern. That's where I first learned about it. Enigmaman 21:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I don;t see any sources in the History Section. But oh well, it was my fault. sorry --21:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is

To my ear, the article begins a bit oddly, by saying that Rivera "is" the first American of Puerto Rican and Mexican descent to play in the NFL. Since he's no longer playing in the NFL, "was" would be the natural choice in English. We're talking about a historical fact—about an event that has already occurred. It is no longer occurring. Accordingly, I made the change (among others) to "is", but Marine 69-71 quickly changed it back (saying, puzzlingly, that "was" implied that Rivera was dead!). I certainly don't feel strongly about it, but I think "is" is the best choice. After all, we'd never say that Bill Clinton "is" the 42nd President. He "was" the 42nd President. And the use of "was" doesn't imply that anyone has died.GreenGourd 02:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

• GreenGourd, damn I hate to admit it but, you "are" right and I "was" wrong in reverting. I thought about it and I told myself: "Tony, you do not make any sense, what the hell were you thinking?" I mean Rivera was the first person of Puerto Rican descent in the NFL, but there have been others. Go ahead and revert me, it was my mistake and I would be honored if you did so. Tony the Marine 03:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

This is incorrect unless you are talking about the first person of Puerto Rican AND Mexican descent to play in the NFL, there were several Mexican-Americans who played prior to Rivera including Max Montoya, Jim Plunkett and Anthony Munoz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.54.183.222 (talk) 22:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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