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Having your own page deleted

If you create a page, and before anyone else edits it you decide to have it deleted, like what seems to have happened with Category:Art schools in Europe (Overview), please put a {{db-self}} at the top of the page, in stead of blanking it. This will attract an administrator to it to have it deleted. I've marked this one for you - since you blanked it, that's enough. Od Mishehu 09:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. Roger 09:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Article names

Hey Roger, I've been looking at some of the interesting articles you've created (good job), and I just wanted to note that no (song) or (film) tag is needed if the title is unique. Have a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions to see whether you could move some of them to new names. All the best, Hestemand 16:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that (your counsel is always appreciated) Roger 12:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Valley of Jarama (song)

A tag has been placed on Valley of Jarama (song), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Patent Nonsense. Only one word that appears to give little information about the thing being described

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet very basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Captain panda 21:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

George Nathan

Am I missing something here? The page listed on your use page links to George Jean Nathan, who doesn't seem like anyone involved in the Spanish Civil War or the Irish War of Independence? Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 11:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert. I'm actually changing the redirect that caused that now. Roger 11:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Poland and SCW

A related question: I read some time ago that Poland supplied the Republicans not only with volunteers, but Polish government sold Spain some military equipment. Is it desribed on Wiki? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  07:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

1. Poland didn't really supply volunteers as such. The volunteers were communists and socialists who happened to be Poles or of Polish extraction. The bulk of them were exiles from Poland's nationalist-leaning military regime. (Beevor, Battle for Spain, p158) and (Eby
2. I don't know about materiél. If they did, it was exceedingly hush-hush. After Anschluss, Poland and Hungary "were petrified of giving any cause of annoyance to Hitler or Mussolini" (Hugh Thomas, Spanish Civil War, p557). Poland voted AGAINST providing support on 13 May 1938 at the Non-Invention Committee meeting.
Roger 08:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
1. That I didn't know - but now I've found a good source for that (added to my D. article). By all means do expand with your refs where appopriate.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
1. Very interesting, thanks. I was thinking about doing working in something on Poles in Northern France (still loads there, still socialists, many active in the Resistance during WWII) somewhere. Could be the subject of a short piece of its own, too. I'll see what's on French Wiki. Roger 10:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest by starting a Polish minority in France article. See Polonia#France.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  15:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
2. Hmmm, look at that (second largest equipment supplier). This indicates that FT-17 tanks were sold (and yes, it was partialy secret, and yes FT-17 are not far from junk by that time (WWI relic...)). This mentions mor equipement, stresses obsolete. I also think they sold some better quality artillery pieces, but can't find sources for that...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
2. Thanks. I didn't know that.Roger 10:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Categories

Hey, you really don't want to blank categories (like you did with Category:World War I books). If you think the category simply needs a more descriptive name, you want to nominate it for renaming here. At any rate, you do need to nominate empty categories (that have been superceded) for deletion in the same place. If the deletion isn't likely to be controversial, it may qualify for a speedy deletion.

Also, while the category system is somewhat incomplete and chaotic, there are a handful of "rules" (preferences, really) for naming. Case in point: Category:Ottoman Empire and World War I should really be something like Category:Military history of the Ottoman Empire in World War I.

Just a couple of "heads up"; you're doing a lot of good work, and I just want to keep you aware of all the wikirules... Carom 04:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Par 1. Thanks :)) (Now I've got to try to remember what I've blanked [gulp]) Roger 04:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Par 2. Hmmm. I hate all those "Military history etc" it's sooo longwinded and excludes so much (like, for instance, all the political stuff). I prefer to see something really broad at the top of the tree (France and World War I fr'instance) with Military history, battles, kit, people etc under it. So much easier to find things. Where would be the place to discuss this? Roger 04:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Par 1. Don't worry about it too much - I think we can probably finagle something through CfD without making a whole lot of work for anyone - I'll ask User:Kirill Lokshin (a thoroughly good chap) and see what he thinks.
Par 2. Here would be your best option, I think (you might also like to comment on the ongoing discussion on categorising military personnel, while you're at it). Carom 05:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Par 1. Coool. Ta. Roger 05:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Par 2. Will do. But it'll be later this ack emma. Thanks for the help. Roger 05:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

More category stuff...

Good work trying to make some sense out of the category system for World War I, etc. Things seem to be rolling along smoothly so far. As you may have noticed, empty categories will often get deleted (case in point, Category:World War I books), so you may not want to empty anything until you're absolutely sure that it's redundant. I wonder also, if another layer of categorization might not be useful - something like "Military of Foo in (during? World War I" - as a child of "Foo and World War I" and a parent of all the smaller, more specific military cats? Carom 20:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I hope you're not too frustrated by the gaps you're encountering - in some ways, it's a demonstration of how young the 'pedia still is, as we're nowhere near getting remotely complete coverage of a number of important areas. Articles are frequently undercategorized, as well.
And you're right, of course - total replication of the category scheme for each country and conflict is impossible. Just stick to what works. Carom 21:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Welsh dragon CfD

Hi Roger. I have nominated Category:Welsh dragon for deletion. I have been organising a number of welsh culture related articles, and came across this fairly randomly. I think it would be better as a single article Y Ddraig Goch, with the images embedded in it. I have no strong views on this, except that a category with 1 article and 2 nearly identical images looks a bit redundant. Bards 12:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks (for the reply on my talk page). Can you leave a comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_17, saying you are the creator? Bards 12:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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WWI Cat

Good idea.(I was actualyy worried bu t had to do something else. c'mon, we've fished a good one.Kfc1864Cuba Libre!My name is Maximus Caesar Zabidus 12:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the barnstar

Roger,

Thanks for the "Special Barnstar"! It's my first wiki-award, and it is greatly appreciated. Thank-you. Cam 00:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC) User:Climie.ca

Oh yes, and mine too. Thanks very much! Carom 01:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Fricourt German war cemetery

Looks better with the pic in the box - thanks for that. I think the page looks pretty good now! --hydeblake 11:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Bypassing redirects

Please read WP:R#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken and save your strength for the important work. Happy editing! Chris the speller 18:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

If you fix the double redirects after a move, you will be in the first rank of editors, but you don't get any extra credit for "fixing" single redirects. Good luck! Chris the speller 20:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

WWI divisions

Obviously, a category is needed for the US divisions that participated in World War I - do you have a preference for Category:United States divisions of World War I, Category:Divisions of the United States in World War I, or something else entirely? Carom 01:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, as you can see, I have created the category and begun moving the articles. Thanks for the input. Carom 16:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Welcome to WikiProject France

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Teen Slang

Hey, is there any way you could undo the deletion of that article on Teen Slang? I had planned to expand it but it got deleted before I got a chance. I don't agree that the page deserved to be deleted, there are a lot of teenagers in this world and their way of speaking has a distinct influence on popular culture. I also think I put a not into the talk page stating my intention to expand the article. --Eamonnca1 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Vietnam War - Military Superiority

I think we are both one side (maybe?) that comparing civilian and combantant deaths is useless for determining 'military superiority'. The paragraph in question is all referenced, and on their own I have no problem with the individual statements, but I think that it really just leads to a non-sequitor in regards to who was more militarily advanced. Do you think the case is strong enough to reword that paragraph? 24.68.249.197 22:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks... I would change the paragraph myself, but as I am not a registered user, I am not allowed to. I think that if the article wishes to compare casualties, a less misleading way to do so would be to include all South Vietnamese casualties, along with their 'allies' (ie: American, Aussie, Kiwi, etc) against the North Vietnamese (plus Chinese) total. Perhaps Military/Technological Superiority should be a section on it's own, as tecnologically, IMO, there is no arguing The States advantage. However, in terms of actualy Military Superiority, the North Vietnamese utilised many strategies much better than the American's could counter. 24.68.249.197 22:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Great job, changing that paragraph. No longer misleading, and better finish to the war summary. Kudos! 24.68.249.197 20:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


German P.o.W, murder

Roger; following your message, I have re-read the articles which I deleted in April. It may indeed be true, as you say, that there is more data available on the case, but it does not appear in the articles, which are identical one-liners. I note that you have re-created one as a redirect.

If you wish to expand the deleted articles up to notable status, I will happily restore them to enable you to do so. If this is not your wish, then I would suggest that jusr re-creating as a redirect is an adequate alternative. Let me know at your convenience. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 10:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Canon Lummis

You have done a great job on the article. I met him just before he died and thought the WP article would be a good way of celebrating his scholarship. I also see from you that some of what I wrote as 'fact' was actually wrong. Jack1956 11:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have put picture on. Jack1956 17:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Not sure that Wiki will inform you of the note I left for you on my own talk page, so I hopped over here to do so myself; go see! :) -- Lisasmall 19:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

British spellings

Hi, Roger, I replied to your question at my editor review regarding my mistaken "corrections" on a couple words at Edith Cavell. I just wanted to thank you again for bringing this to my attention, and I greatly appreciate your question and interest.  :) María (críticame) 12:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Town categories

Hi there. I noticed this edit you made, changing ones of the categories for La Ferté-sous-Jouarre from Category:World War I to Category:Military memorials and cemeteries. The La Ferté-sous-Jouarre memorial has its own article, and it is that that should go in Category:Military memorials and cemeteries (actually Category:World War I memorials and cemeteries), rather than the article about the town. The section in the article is part of the history of World War I, so I've changed the category again to Category:France and World War I. Carcharoth 09:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

No grumbles with any of that! Thanks for informing me. ROGER TALK 10:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Arras map

A map would be quite useful. I'm going to try and run this up to FA (probably sometime later this month) and that would be a good addition. Carom 17:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

No rush - as I said to Awadewit, I don't plan on an FA nomination quite yet. Carom 00:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries. As soon as you have something ready, we can look it over and discuss options. Carom 17:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
That looks very nice - I don't know if there's much that can be done to significantly improve it. The only question is, where to place it in the article. My vote would be for early ont (arounf the planning stage) and retaining the other, lower-quality map later in the article (as it shows the gains made by the British, etc). Nice work on the map. Carom 16:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've moved some of the images around to accomodate the new map. If you have time to work up an edited version that shows the gains, that would be great, but it's certainly not imperative. I'm going to take a deep breath and create a FAC for this article, any help you can provide in addressing comments raised there would be great. Excellent work so far, just a little more to go! Carom 16:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The FAC is here - fingers crossed, I suppose! Carom 16:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep - we'll see how it goes. At any rate, you've been a really big help, and have done a lot of really good work on this article (and elsewhere). Thanks, congrats, and do keep it up! Carom 17:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Nope, didn't mean to leave that uncaptioned. Carom 17:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


Vietnam

Your contributions were quite useful. Keep an eye on them.--Hughstew 02:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Military

Hi Roger. Do you have any idea about how to expand the "Depictions of the military" section? -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 14:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful job Roger. Much appreciated. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 12:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI --> Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Military. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 15:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


RE: Vimy

In response to your question,

  • I spent 7.5 days in France (as well as 1.5 days in Belgium, and 2 days on an aircraft), 2 of which were in Arras. Yes, I did tour the tunnels under Arras, and yes, I did go to Lorrette Cemetery, which was completely overwhelming (40,000 graves puts it into real perspective). The problem at Vimy was that the weather decided to hate us, so it poured the entire time. I still managed to get some half decent pictures though. I also went to Normandy, Le Monte St. Michel, Ypres Salient, the Somme, Dieppe, Le Havre and the surrounding area, St. Malo, and Bayeux. It was fun.
  • Oh, and I noticed on your userpage that you're planning to do a page about executions under the army act from. To let you know, there was approx. 300 executions during the war by the British Military, of which about a dozen are questionable (found this all out on the trip, I can't remember if it was 300 in the Ypres Salient or 300 overall, hopefully I'll remember). I happened to go to the place in the Ypres Salient where they were executed, so I'll upload the pics of that if you like.

Thanks for asking!!!

Cam 23:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I might have the town hall, I don't know. Yes, they've re-opened the Museum at Vimy, and the monument looks really nice all refurbished. I didn't get to go to the museum at Notre Dame de Lorrette, as I wasn't there for particularely long. I did see the Moroccan Memorial (I saw a couple, which one?). Unfortunately, I didn't get to go to McCrae's grave, as I didn't have time. As for Arras, I stayed at the IBIS, which is just off one of the Plazas. I'll upload the pics later, and put them on my Gallery (which is a work in progress).

Cam 16:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Aaron Bock

Totally wrong template, sorry. Will discuss on talk page for article. MrPrada 07:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

re:Aaron Bock

  • Understandable. However, being from Yorktown, I have to say that the information is very verifiable. The scandal from '95 is still an issue to this day, there has not been another Democratic Supervisor in over a decade because of it. I cannot force the times to make the article available for free. Not sure why you're having problems with the Buffalo article, try using Google Archive. In any case, Bach's closing the theater, the million dollar mistake, and the Superintendent fleeing to Arizona, are all facts, I in no way meant to disparage him or make personal attacks(I'm not even sure if he's still alive), I am simply trying to add all of the Town Supervisors in Yorktown History. MrPrada 07:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't doubt it for a minute. Thanks very much for taking the time to explain and good luck with your project. ROGER TALK 07:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Will Pope

The Will Pope page was created for people to expand on it. Unsigned comment by user:Cwk14724 17:58, 13 July 2007

I have extended the article so the deletion dtub needs to be removed Unsigned comment by user:69.248.97.182 00:44, 14 July 2007

Portal :Military history of the Christian West

Hello. Please see my comments at Portal talk:Military history of the Christian West and let me know if you're ok with what I propose. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 16:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied there. Thanks for keeping me informed. ROGER TALK 16:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
MfD now in progress. Please do add your input there (note that I was a bit lazy in my rationale and I hope you'll add some more convincing words so that this portal disappears as soon as possible. Pascal.Tesson 16:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I will. ROGER TALK 17:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


deletion of murder christy page.

Hi Roger. Got a message saying the page i created was up for speedy deletion due to spam/advertisment of business etc. Went to start altering it and it was deleted while i was trying to change it. That's all good, but i just want to know whereas the murder christy page was seen as spam or advertising, why isn't the Emily Strange/Emily The Strange page seen as advertising also. The murder christy brand has been compared to the Emily The Strange Brand, so just wanted clarification on that so in future a murder christy page won't get deleted. cheers! Murder christy fan 08:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't comment on Emily Strange/Emily The Strange but Wikipedia articles have to be about (a) noteworthy things (b) written from a neutral point of view, and attributable to independent and reliable sources. I hope this helps. --ROGER TALK 08:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
By the way, if you think the Emily Strange articles breach the guidelines, you can always tag them yourself. Foer moere information on this, see criteria for speedy deletion. --ROGER TALK 08:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't delete the new Tranche entry. It is a real tool.

Tranche is a real resource for sharing scientific data. It is more than a year old, and has had massive adoption. Some say that it is the only horse in the race for properly sharing and citing scientific data sets. Certainly it is one of the first few serious efforts to use P2P to successfully share scientific data. Please see http://tranche.proteomecommons.org. Be sure to launch the Tranche tool and you'll see that it is far from "in development".

If there is any other information that I can provide, please let me know. Jayson Andrew Falkner 19:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Arras FAC

Ta. I'll drop in a few myself, if I have a chance. Carom 17:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Goud

I have been monitoring the article Goud for some time. and its found that its growing like anything.And important conent like abt the cast , occupation remains almost same. people r adding list of people to the famous goud section day-by-day.This is like the any caste based article like Nair, List Famous of Nairs and Ezhava and List of famous ezhavas etc And in that cases new article have been created.........we cant stop aading to list and is expected grow like anything .In near future we wont be able to maintain it...

Daya anjali 10:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. Problem is that the Famous Gouds article doesn't comply with WP:NOT#DIR as it is nothing more than a list of people with the same surname, who are not necessarily notable in their own right. --ROGER TALK 05:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Black Opium (energy drink)

You deleted the Black Opium page and then recreated the Dark Scorpion page. Was there some reason that one was acceptable and not the other? Alberrosidus 05:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't recreate the Dark Scorpion page. I tagged both it and Black Opium for speedy delete. My note was to show the reviewing admin that it was a recreated article. I'm sorry if it was ambiguous. --ROGER TALK 05:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


D.L. Dykes, Jr.

There is no deletion tag on the D.L. Dykes, Jr. article. I had no idea that this would not qualify. He was the first TV minister in Shreveport, pastor of one of the largest churches there for thirty years, argued for racial moderation during the civil rights movement, wrote one book, started a cable TV network, started a program at a college. Seems to be most "notable" Billy Hathorn 12:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope, it's been removed. Perhaps you could also tie in his foundation, for which references abound. --ROGER TALK 12:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I can add more on the Dykes Foundation. Should that be a separate article?

Billy Hathorn 13:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Up to you entirely. if it was me, I'd probably (just probably) include it in this one, unless it got really long. --ROGER TALK 13:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: "db-nn" -v- "db-corp"

Thanks for your pointer in the Tranche (software) discussion. It seems from reading the guidelines (WP:WEB and WP:CORP) that a software product is covered by "db-nn" if its only available online and by "db-corp" (whether it's free or not) if it's available in bricks and mortar outlets. Nightmare, huh? Anyway, it has clarified something for me: that schools are covered by db-corp and not db-nn. Thanks for that. --ROGER TALK 15:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly; "db-corp" only covers articles about companies, not their product. The product of non-notable companies would, naturally, also be non-notable, but--alas--cannot be speedy deleted under the existing CSD:A7. Please note that WP:WEB and WP:CORP are not part of CSD; the CSD criteria were deliberately written more stringently to prevent deletion in all but the most obvious cases. Owen× ☎ 15:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
So we could have a situation where the company is non-notable and is speedily deleted on those grounds whilst their products individually work their way through the AfD process? --ROGER TALK 15:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I know, it is ridiculous. There has been plenty of discussion about adding lack of notability as a speedy criterion for any subject. The consensus in all cases was against doing so, although CSD:A7 has evolved over the years to be more and more sweeping. Let's work on improving the policy rather than working around it. Owen× ☎ 16:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I'll post something later unless you'd like to dive straight in now. --ROGER TALK 16:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Done it. It's here. --ROGER TALK 16:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


Noorzai

Look, do what you want with the stub, but it's not acceptable to me that you remove a sourced stub and place a no content rephrasing of the article title there. Mark it {{db-a3}} and move on, if that's all you've got. -- nae'blis 17:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Teen Slang

Hey, is there any way you could undo the deletion of that article on Teen Slang? I had planned to expand it but it got deleted before I got a chance. I don't agree that the page deserved to be deleted, there are a lot of teenagers in this world and their way of speaking has a distinct influence on popular culture. I also think I put a not into the talk page stating my intention to expand the article. --Eamonnca1 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


Welsh Swagman

Greetings, Roger. Maybe it's my inexperience, but I have a quandary about this one, for which I created the stub only today. The real subject is Joseph Jenkins whose importance as a diarist is established by the authority of the State Library of Victoria and, I might add, by the National Library of Wales which holds the manuscripts of his Welsh diaries. It's obvious to me that the Wiki entry should be listed under his actual name. Yet he is equally well known (as a Google search will demonstrate) as "the Welsh Swagman". If there is an alternative way of cross-referencing the two, I would have no objection to speedy deletion of the article. I intend to make further contributions and citations to the Joseph Jenkins article. The summary version of his writings published in 1975 by (ed.) William Evans (cardiologist) quickly became prescribed reading for the Victorian High Schools Compulsory Examination because of its unique primary historical documentation. It was rated by historian Prof. Geoffrey Blainey as one of his top ten preferred Australian books. Maybe I could add this sort of info to the stub, but I don't wish to stop it's being deleted if there's a better way of cross-referencing. Cheers --Aeronian 10:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The Welsh Swagman article has already gone. Best now is to contact the admin who deleted the Welsh Swagman stub and ask him to blank the page and turn it into a redirect to Joseph Jenkins. You probably also need to address some of the notability issues with the Joseph Jenkins article, with references from reliable sources. It wouldn't hurt to mention some of the material you've alluded to here. I hope this helps. --ROGER TALK 10:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm already addressing the citations. It's really not up to me to worry about potential cross-reference issues, I guess. Cheers --Aeronian 10:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
And thanks again, Roger, for putting this on a sound footing for me. -Aeronian 20:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

"Wahhabi Controvrsy" article

Hello Mr. Davis, first and foremost I hope that the weekend is going alright for you. I just wanted to thank you for your help in attempting to bring some clarity to this issue; my response to User:Chubeat8's last remarks may be seen here. In addition, for some background info it may help to review Talk:Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz and Talk:Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee and see our exchanges there.
Anyway, you're probably thinking to yourself, "who is this strange person and why is he showing me all this stuff?" Heh, I have that effect on people. The reason I am asking for you to brush up on this stuff is because I think it might help to have you mediate the issue of the creation of the Wahabi Controversial Fatwas article. You're a third party, removed from the dispute and seem fairly reasonable so I figure this would be the first step to sorting this mess out. Any help you could give us would be much appreciated. MezzoMezzo 02:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me but I'm only intermittently around this week before disappearing off to Provence for a month on Wednesday week. At currently presented, the stuff doesn't seem to be comply with attribution and neutral point of view rules. I don't see much point in you getting involved in discussion of the subject matter. If you assert your position, properly referenced, they can do likewise, to more or less equal weight. If they are abused this, take it to the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. In essence, I think Wikipedia policies are your best friend here. Best of luck --ROGER TALK 11:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, it's me again. Same issue...sucks, I know. I had a small favor to ask. Recently, User:Chubeat8 has made a number of erratic and suspicious edits to the articles on Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz and Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee. He has done so with both the above account and also the following IP addresses: one, two, three, four, and five. I know these were his as some of his comments on the respective talk pages were left by these addresses as well but signed off as "chubeat8"; sometimes he logs in to respond, sometimes he uses one of these various addresses. You can review Talk:Muhammad Naasiruddeen al-Albaanee and ESPECIALLY Talk:Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz for some background on the issue; the talk page for Bin Baz specifically is where I call him out for posting intentional misinformation. I also believe that he is guilty of both "Excessive lengthening" and "Sneaky vandalism" per the official Wikipedia:Vandalism policy.
I'm not necessarily asking for any direct involvement (thought that would be welcome), just that you could brush up on what's going on and monitor the articles and talk pages so there's no more funny business. This guy has been warned repeatedly by both me and others and doesn't seem to be giving up. Any help you could give would be much appreciated. MezzoMezzo 20:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't really help on this. It seems to me that you and he have a difference of opinion, and can both provide sources to support your position. I don't think he's doing anything wrong; he's perfectly entitled to add material and he's doing it concisely and properly referenced. You could ask for advice on the WikiProject Islam talk page. --ROGER TALK 20:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Well one of my issues is that the references he put didn't confirm his additions to the article (Bin Baz). I'll make sure to check that page though, thanks for the advice dude. MezzoMezzo 01:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


List Of Nairs

Salut. Did you just nominate the List of Nairs for deletion? May I know your arguments for wanting this list deleted? If it is just because it is a category, do other similiar categories not exist in Wikipedia? I myself am ambivalent about this list now after having participated in previous AFD and am open minded about this AFD. BTW I see you do translations from the French to English. I am on holiday now but on my return to Paris I may sign up officially for this task. The Nairs seem to have some enemies. I recently removed a passage in Malayalam calling the Nairs "pimps" and other insults. A bientôt Ivygohnair 09:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Salut: I'm certainly not an enemy of the Nairs and I don't have strong feelings about the article either. It didn't though strike me as very encyclopedic and it seemed very similar to the list of Famous Gouds that I nominated at the same time. Thanks for the enquiry. --ROGER TALK 10:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Merci. The first time I heard of the Gouds was when you mentioned them. The list has few notable names (ie blue links) whereas in the List of Nairs the majority are notable and some clean-up is still neccesary à mon avis. The Nairs also have a Wikipedia article on them. Cheers.Ivygohnair 11:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Many of the Gouds are probably notable too. Their notability just hasn't been asserted. Now I think of it, there's no List of Davies anywhere on Wikipedia and we can trace our ancestry back eleven hundred years to the native Princes of Wales (which, by European standards, is a very long time indeed). --ROGER TALK 11:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your speedy reply. I have made a comment on the AFD page itself. A+Ivygohnair 22:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
i think list of Nairs got deleted . now it looks like turn of List of Famous ezhavas. i think there is no problem in listing the famous people from particular section of the society if the wiki has an article on that celebrity..

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 14:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of Recon (haircut)

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Recon (haircut). I do not think that Recon (haircut) fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because there is plenty of context. That means that a person reading the article has no trouble understanding what it is about, and where or in what kinds of places to look for more information if desired. The statemetns that it is a style of haircut favored by people in the US militsry are sufficient context. I request that you consider not re-tagging Recon (haircut) for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Responded on my talk page. DES (talk) 22:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. --ROGER TALK 17:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


"Incongruous combinations"

I can't tell you how many attempts it took to spell "incongruous" correctly. Thankfully Firefox has a built-in spell checker. Thanks for the barnstar! Glad it got a laugh from someone. Realkyhick 18:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it did! Keep it too. This AfD stuff can get way too intense sometimes. --ROGER TALK 18:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
The "rock band" is a minor ripoff of a favorite line from Dave Barry. Hey, I'm not always original. Realkyhick 18:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


Memorial Middle School for Girls - Harrisburg

Please explain why you regard this as "blatent advertising", what changes need to be made to avoid deletion. PaBlade PaBlade 14:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your message. My reactions?
  1. It reads like a prospectus
  2. It needs re-writing from a neutral point of view, in the third person.
  3. It need to be attributed to a reliable source and to establish notability.
  4. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and the content needs to be encyclopedic in tone and content.
All the best, --ROGER TALK 15:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Well thanks for the advise, but despite putting the "hangon" notice on the site someone, (JimfBleak ?) has already deleted it before I can attempt to change it, - how do I get it back? - This is very disappointing, originally i put a few notes on here whilst I went ahead and built a web-site, but before I can study the Style guide and how other School pages are put together and put together a coherent entry, it is shot at for all sorts of reasons. No help, no advise just out and out critism. What hurts is this "lack of notability". Yes its a new school, its been in the planning for over a year, and its current notability resides in the reputation of my wife. She co-founded the boys Nativity school in 2001, the formula that is being replicated for this girls school. Locally she is a respected professional in education, she got invited to speak before the State Senate. How do I put that across without including a Staff resume section? Regards, PaBlade 209.244.30.245 16:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

As regards the school, by remembering that this is an encyclopedia not a news site ... You are trying to write up something that hasn't happened yet. That is the big problem. As regards your wife, you're discouraged from writing about her yourself by our conflict of interest policy. She would have to satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements, which broadly mean significant in-depth coverage by independent news sources. --ROGER TALK 18:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)



Ping

See my talk page. DES (talk) 01:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Help

Well Can You Explain How The Whole"Wikipedia"Thing Works?Please Im New I Know Nothing.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by NarutoFangOver (talk • contribs) 04:31, 27 July 2007

Something for you...

The Epic Barnstar
For your excellent work on Battle of Arras (1917), now a featured article, I award you this barnstar. Carom 05:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Collaboration

It might be fun to tackle another WWI article together. If so, one that's related somehow to Arras would mean that we wouldn't have to start from entirely from scratch with references and background. Obvious candidates are: Nivelle Offensive, Battle of Vimy Ridge or Second Battle of the Aisne though I'd be glad to hear of your suggestions if you think it's a good idea. For your information, an excellent new book has come out on Vimy Ridge (Vimy Ridge: A Canadian Reassessment, Hayes et all. 2007 Wilfrid Laurier University Press. ISBN 978-0889205086) which would provide sound and impeccably researched underpinning. As I think I mentioned, I'm away for a month from next Wednesday but I'll have plenty of time for reading. Your thoughts would be welcome. --ROGER TALK 06:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I think Battle of Vimy Ridge would be a nice choice - I have some material around, and will look up the new publication you mentioned. I'll do some back ground reading over the next month (I'll have plenty of time as well; I've left my job in order to go back to school this fall, so I have very little else to do until the end of August!). At any rate, I say let's do Vimy Ridge, and see where we get to. Looking forward to working with you again! Carom 06:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Good! I think it's not a bad choice. Additionally, as you know, Colonel Nicholson's very excellent and very considered Canadian Expeditionary Force 1914-1919 is available online. I've actually booked to stay in Arras on my way home (on 1st Sept) so I get some photographs/materials at Vimy if needs be. I doubt if I'll log on here much during August but you will be able to contact me via email if you need to (though don't expect quick replies). --ROGER TALK 06:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Further thoughts... At the moment, the article takes a rather simplistic view of the battle. I think it needs some explanation of the topography as this was key to German failure. As you know, the west-facing slope is long and gentle. The east-side falls away much more sharply to the plain. This meant that the elastic defence couldn't be used as there was no ground to fall back to. Thus the Germans pinned all their hopes on the defences, which were extremely formidable. These, of course, fell under the unprecedentedly huge artillery onslaught. Anyhow I'd see background sections going something like:
  • ==Race for the Sea== (ie how the Germans got there in the first place);
  • ==Topography== (explaining the lie of the land, and deliberated picked to for defensive potential. The Germans were fighting on two fronts and needed to conserve troops)
  • ==Bitterly-contested ground== (the previous battles, in some depth, the Moroccan Division, as you know, took the ridge but weren't reinforced in time. The Foreign Legion lost heavily too);
  • ==Prince Rupprecht's fortifications== (I've seen a description somewhere of what he built. It's awesome)
Anyhow, that's a few initial thoughts... --ROGER TALK 10:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
That all seems reasonable. We should probably also give some background (as in the Arras article) on some of the tactics employed by the Canadian Corps, although that will probably come a little later in the article. Carom 16:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Sure thing - anything in particular that you want watching? Carom 18:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Coordinator elections

The sign-up page should be ready in the next day or two, so you'll have a chance to put your name down then; does that work? Kirill 15:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully yes:) My deadline is midnight on Tuesday. I'm off first thing Wednesday, you see. --ROGER TALK 15:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Ping. Kirill 20:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile

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Anthony W. Ochoa Middle School

All that stuff in the article I wrote about Anthony W.Ochoa Middle School doesn't exactly have to be in there because it is only a junior high but the name should be spelled correctly. I personally didn't go there but I was affected by it's existence in my youth cause of border changes and old friends. I just think at least it should be spelled correctly. Thanks for your time have a good day.--SuaveGemini 08:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the article to Anthony W. Ochoa Middle School as requested. This doesn't affect the proposed deletion. --ROGER TALK 09:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch!!--SuaveGemini 09:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

My RFA
User:TenPoundHammer and his romp of Wikipedia-editing otters thank you for participating in Hammer's failed request for adminship, and for the helpful tips given to Hammer for his and his otters' next run at gaining the key. Also, Hammer has talked to the otters, and from now on they promise not to leave fish guts and clamshells on the Articles for Deletion pages anymore. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 16:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

King's Affair page

Thanks very much for support of King's Affair page - want to make it into a proper article with history etc, but probably should have written a bit more before creating it as a page. Wikipedia has a steep learning curve! As578 00:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Steep? Annapurnian! Good luck with the article. --ROGER TALK 00:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the help on the redirect. It doesn't look like some I saw though. Some just have a link and an arrow thing. Do you know English and grammar well? (I think you do. I just checked your user page. Most very impressive!) Could you make my article a little better? Link Thanks! Bmedley Sutler 09:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

What did you do to my CIA Torture Manual page? It is there for a reason. it is a 'redirect;. It is one of the most popular Google searches for this information. Lots of articles have 'redirects' using several popular names. Some other editor keeps renaming it to something no one would ever search Google using. Is there some policy on making several names? Thank you. Bmedley Sutler 09:24, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion omniperor

Speedy deletion sounds good to me. Since he's contesting, it wouldn't work as PROD anyway. I expect it may well be gone by the time I finish typing this. :) Moonriddengirl 16:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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