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[edit] 2M1207b

2M1207b is an extra-solar planet, not an interstellar planet, right? I don't think the "proplyds" section really applies here. No interstellar planets have yet been confirmed. Maltodextrin 04:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure how an interstellar planet and a sub-brown dwarf can be seen to be the same thing. Any planet object found in interstellar space would be considered an interstellar planet, wouldn't it? but that wouldn't be the same thing as a brown dwarf, necisarrily. Thanatosimii 17:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New definition of planet

With the new 2006 redefinition of planet, we would need to stop calling these things planets, perhaps interstellar planemo or sub-brown dwarf instead? (The IAU recommended sub-brown dwarf in 2003) 132.205.93.195 02:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

We'll see if this redefinition takes. I'm increasingly skeptical it'll survive. I think it's going to end up like International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry having to list Aluminum as an acceptable spelling.--T. Anthony 11:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
On further studt the new redefinition only applies to our solar system. It's sole purpose is to avoid their being too many planets as it's just all cluttery having that many symbols or planets to worry about. (This sounds sarcastic, but I believe it's basically correct. The asteroids that were downgraded were in part done so because it was causing there be too many planets)--T. Anthony 10:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hypothetical

What is hypothetical about interstellar planets when the article gives an example of one? Reworded a little - the 2M1207b sentence made it seem like it was interstellar. Orthografer 06:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Would like new title

The IAU is really quite clear: these objects are not to be called "planets." That was established before the famous 2006 redefinition of "planet" and really has nothing to do with that redefinition. So I propose that the article be retitled. Unfortunately I can't come up with a good alternate title. "Interstellar planemo" would be logical, but unfortunately the term "planemo" hasn't really caught on in the astronomical literature. More often you see the clumsy phrase "planetary-mass object." So the title could be "Interstellar planetary-mass objects," but that sounds awkward to me. Any ideas? Kevin Nelson 10:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

    The redefinition only applies to our own solar system.  Extrasolar planets have yet to be properly defined. 137.28.55.99 20:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming and rewriting

The title "Interstellar planetary-mass object" does not seem to be used. I cannot find any occurrence in the abstracts of astronomical articles, despite of some efforts with the NASA ADS Query Form.

What about free-floating planetary-mass object (FFPMO) or sub-brown dwarf which are used in the literature ? (See fr:objet libre de masse planétaire and notes attached to the English names which are listed) ?

Furthermore, this article needs intensive rewriting. It focuses a lot on life there, whereas most studies focus on explaining their origin and detecting them.

Cheers.

Régis Lachaume —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.248.81.29 (talk) 18:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

After thinking about it a little more, I like "Isolated planetary-mass object" which is a phrase I've seen in a paper or two. Thoughts? Kevin Nelson 11:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


interstellar planetary mass object to rogue planet. "Rogue planet" is much more commonly used than "interstellar planetary mass object". Do a Google search and you will see. These objects are not planets, but there still rogue planets as much as dwarf planets are dwarf planets. Astroguy2 20:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment: If you search for "planetary mass object" alone, that returns 1,420,000 sites. Rogue planet has 1,620,000. (Wikimachine 02:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC))
"rogue planet" is still the most common term for these kinds of objects. The second most common term for them is "interstellar planet". Astroguy2 17:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose. See another RM on USA Patriot Act. When there is not much difference between the two names (see google search above), the official name should be used, and then other alternatives should be redirected to the main title. Interstellar planetary mass object is the official technical name within the scientific community, and it is so much more descriptive. They're not even "planets". (Wikimachine 02:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
Then you should also propose moving dwarf planet to something else, as that title's not descriptive enough, with dwarf planets not even being "planets". Astroguy2 13:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Wikimachine's assessment is incorrect. "Rogue planet" is the correct term; see my comments below. Dr. Submillimeter 16:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. "rogue planet" is how these objects are usually referred to, despite them not being planets. The term "interstellar planetary mass object" is virtually never used. Astroguy2 17:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Rename to free-floating planemo ? 132.205.44.134 21:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Rename to Rogue planet - A search with the ADS Abstract Service shows that "rogue planet" is in use to describe these objects in scientific articles. A search on "interstellar planetary mass object" shows that the term is not in use (and may be a neologism). Therefore, the name "rogue planet" should be used for this article. Dr. Submillimeter 16:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. If you place the mentioned Google search in quotes, "rogue planet" has about 80K hits, and "planetary mass object" has under 800. I'm not sure why Wikimachine has been doing Google tests this way lately. Anyway, as mentioned above, this common use agrees wtih the official name. There is a significant page history at Rogue planet which will have to be preserved in the move. Dekimasuよ! 06:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of the Google hits for "rogue planet" are references to TV shows, etc., but a search for "interstellar planetary mass object" gets less than 100 hits outside of Wikipedia. Dekimasuよ! 07:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from interstellar planetary mass object to rogue planet as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 08:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] in fiction

Do I remember that Poul Anderson's novels Satan's World and Ensign Flandry both involve rogue planets? —Tamfang (talk) 02:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Or am I confusing Satan's World with Mirkheim? —Tamfang (talk) 07:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  • And Star Wars includes another rogue planet: Iego (see starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Iego), which was first mentioned in Episode I. 89.212.134.219 (talk) 17:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)