Talk:Rob Knox

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[edit] Creation

Its very sad that he died but does he really warrant being on the Death List? I mean his wiki was only created after he died. So is being famous in death enough to warrant a wiki? brob (talk) 19:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. I have never heard of this actor, nor actually of the role he plays in the upcoming HP-movie (eventhough I recently finished reading the book). Cyanid (talk) 19:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe that having a role in a HP movie and the terrible fact that he was murdered make him notable to Wikipedia standards. 200.207.152.195 (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe having a minor role in an upcoming movie is not reason enough to keep this page. I vote yes for deletion. 84.121.137.200 (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

According to the BBC -he had a very minor role in the up-and-coming film... See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7418311.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.101.39.160 (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ninemsn claim he was a "Potter Star", but who beleives them? http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=568966 Katana Geldar 11:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree that a page should be removed just because this was his second role, the first being the other that was mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.62.214 (talk) 13:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that his unfortunate death and roles to warrant a Wiki - it has been big news, getting a focus on msn, at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhm91 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, in the UK news today there has been a lot of stories about this, including stories on the front page of all major newspapers, and headline news on many evening news programmes including BBC 6 o'clock news. It is true that the part he plays in HBP is relatively minor - a student who Slughorn considers for entry into the Slug Club and then rejects, but I think this article is notable enough just on the grounds of the amount of news coverage his death has received. Kidburla (talk) 19:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the comments guys. Good to see some of us are still able to debate these matters. No thanks to the mystery wikipedian (96.224.197.114) who left the following comment on my personal wiki:

ur a fuked up person —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.197.114 (talk) 02:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

brob (talk) 20:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Also I think we've established that the general consensus is that this wiki is justified. However to go back to my first question; is he notable enough to be included in the Death list? brob (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it is still too early to make that decision, you have to see how this whole story plays out. jon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.108.77.236 (talk) 00:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I think he's noteworthy enough to be included in the Death List. He's a high-profile murder victim (especially in the UK), and most notable murder victims are included. This ignores the fact that he was in the Harry Potter movie. ZedJay (talk) 04:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be pointed out that most notable murder victims who are not otherwise notable do not have an article. They are either listed under the murderer (if known), or as a Death of Rob Knox article. I question Rob being a notable murder victim, but, even if he were.... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the article should continue, obviously people are looking him up on Wikipedia and so it is helpful to have the information. Whether he was famous or not before his death, he has gained notoriety now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.77.95 (talk) 17:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with most of you. This article should definitely stay for the time being. Maybe in 6 months or something if the hush has died down we could consider taking it off, but for the moment at least I support this article 100%. George.millman (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion tag should be removed ASAP

There is no need for a deletion tag here. It is irrelevant if the article was created after death, so was William Shakespear's article. The person in question had achieved some level of notoriety in life and therefore would qualify for a page regardless of death. Nonetheless, even if a persons notoriety only comes about as a result of said death they still meet all the benchmarks to have an enyclopedia entry. Examples include Chandra Levy or Laci Peterson. The deletion tag is unnecessary and disrespectful at a time when the article is at peak viewership. The article should be improved, and a picture would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richprentice (talk • contribs) 20:43, 26 May 2008

Deletion tag will be removed when the AfD closes, typically no sooner than 5 days after it was started. See WP:AfD for the way the AfD process works. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
A request for pictures is already at the top of this talk page. If you have any that meet Wikipedia's WP:FAIRUSE guidelines you may upload them. However, if this article is deleted the pictures will be deleted within 1 week as well. If you are fortunate enough to find pictures which are freely licensed, they will not be removed when no longer in use. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. I vote to keep the article. --Pinnecco (talk) 23:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this should be removed. Since when was Wikipedia limited to major information or celebrities? I cam straight to this page frok an unrelated article on gun crime, and it was relevant and helpful, and that should be all that's necessary to justify its existance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.24.19 (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I vote keep. The connection to the Harry Potter legacy makes him a person of importance to millions of people.--Gingerwiki (talk) 03:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Birthday

Where did the 2nd May 1990 date come from? I have access to the full birth index on Ancestry and the only Robert Arthur Knox was registered in September '89 (in the District of Chatham, Kent). I did a little digging and eventually found his MySpace page which gives his astrological sign as Leo. This coupled with the six week maximum limit between birth and registration points strongly towards an August '89 birthday. Analog Kid (talk) 23:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

A tribute to him on YouTube gives his birthday as 2nd May 1990. The tribute was obviously created by his friends and/or family, so maybe the Myspace page was talking about someone else with the same name? Some additional info would be helpful. George.millman (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Place of Death

He was pronounced deceased at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Woolwich according to reports. So should Woolwich be down as the place of death, or are we assuming he died en-route? Analog Kid (talk) 00:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The common-sense route is to go with the place of death as determined by law. In cases of people presumed alive by emergency personnel, the place of death is the place they finally give up and declare him dead, in this case, the hospital. Now, if, upon arrival at the hospital, a doctor declared "he's been dead at least 10 minutes" then we can worry about that. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

A YOUTUBE tribute video which at the end gives 2 dates (one being May 24 2008) seems to suggest he was born on May 2 1990....—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.145.156 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 29 May 2008

According to a witness, he died in his arms at the scene. His last words were 'Callum, I need help, I need you to help me.' George.millman (talk) 20:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Bill

IMDB's entry on The Bill doesn't seem to have him. Could it be under a yet a different name, or possibly not credited? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

IMDB isn't perfect, but then again, neither are newspapers. One of them probably got it wrong, or, as you suggest, he was uncredited, perhaps an extra. However, since the newspapers bothered to make note of it, leave it in. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone knew which season he appeared in, so that tv.com or one of the other services could be searched. (TV.com's search engine is questionable, at best.) If he's notable, we should document everything he appeared in. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)