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[edit] Rickenbacker Series'

  • There should be an article about each Rickenbacker guitar series.

-- Sofa jazz man 14:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I concur with your view that there should be an article on each Ric series. JSC ltd 18:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • What about the 2000 and 3000 series - most [are] discontinued

[edit] 300 Series

  • I've been tweaking your articles so that they more closely conform to the conventions of WikiProject Guitarists and the Guitarist equipment task force, and I commend your effort in creating them. Keep it up! Furthermore, you may be interested in joining said WikiProject by visiting its page and adding your name to the list. JSC ltd 18:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Much Needed Sections

[edit] Amplifiers

  • I believe Electro String/Rickenbacker built amplifiers for a span of 60 years give or take --Strawberry Pudding Wings


[edit] Information that needs added to pre-existing areas

  • I'd like to see some information on the Rickenbacker 4080 doubleneck that Geddy Lee used in the 70's on this page. It came as both a bass/six-string model and a bass/twelve-string IIRC. --Insomniak 23:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colors & Body Finish

  • This section which talks about current colors, past colors, color of the year, and body finish in general, could use some more input. -- Strawberry Pudding Wings

[edit] Information that needs correction or deletion

  • Is the little tidbit about Gerry Marsden's guitar case really necessary? It seems to take away from the flow of the section.
  • Hmm. I didn't realise what an old comment I was responding to. Anyway, some emergency surgery was required on this article...

The Rickenbacker brand bass guitar was originally patented by Adolf Rickenbacker. With "horse shoe" magnet pick ups, they were rather crude at first. There's a nugget of truth in there, but it has become terribly confused in the editing. Rickenbacker didn't make basses until the late 50s or 1960, but Adolph Rickenbacker had sold the company in 1953. Most of the (1930s) patents seem to be in the name of the engineer George Beauchamp, anyway. I'll get back to the pickup technology later. The article as it was this morning was very bass-centric. While the 4000 series is justly famous, the 330s and 360s are just as much part of the story, as are the early "frying pan" Hawaiians. More work is needed.

--rbrwr

[edit] Major modifications needed that affect overall flow of article

  • I think something needs to be done about the way founding & early history is differentiated. I agree that founding & early history perhaps need to be seperated, but as of now the info in 'early history' (besides mention of the Adolf's name change) picks up from 50s while the earlier history (30s & 40s) lies within the founding area. I made an attempt to revamp this layout but the article was quickly restored by someone to it's original condition. I've accepted this and have added my amplifier information (there was still was no amp info) to founding history to keep things in linear order. The amps probably deserve their own category, just the same as the pickups, and yet it'd be hard to tell of the early history without mentioning that Electro String made them. To put it into better perspective I think the early history we have now is more of an area that loosely adjoins post-early history with pre-modern F.C. Hall history. I think it's a bit confusing not to regard the 1930s & 1940s era of the company as early history. After all it's approximately a twenty year span of time that we're not regarding as early history. Besides that point, I say there needs to be more information that explains the switch over of ownership to F.C. Hall and better explains the difference between the pre and post F.C. Hall era and better explains the relationship between F.C. Hall and Leo Fender.

-- Strawberry Pudding Wings

[edit] Modifications made

  • I've expanded the article on the frying pan and added a link to it from this article. I also removed words to the effect that it is "considered by some" to be the first electric guitar. It is very well documented that the "frying pan" was the first electric guitar ever produced. JSC ltd 17:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General questions about the content of this article

  • Cliff Burton Picture; That's an Ibanez copy he's using on that picture isn't it ?
  • Nope, it's the real thing; I've looked it up on various sites, and Cliff even says that it's the real thing in an interview.


[edit] Disputes

Regarding Peter Hook of Joy Division: Hooky *never* played an authentic Ric, but a lookalike copy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.12.183.162 (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Disambiguation

  • Shouldn't this be under "Rickenbacker guitar", not just Rickenbacker?
  • There's no need to disambiguate unless (or until) there's something to disambiguate it from. --rbrwr
  • Well as I was saying above, they built & sold other things (amps) besides just guitars so it'd probably be best to leave the article as Rickenbacker. Anyways, the Rickenbacker we're talking about here, seems to be the most famous one, so if there needs to be a disambiguation, I still think this article should be the main one you're directed to if you were to just enter "Rickenbacker".

--Strawberry Pudding Wings

[edit] Colors

The colors section has four lists, which seems both redundant and a bit excessive. The information could easily be put into one listing of colors and years of availability. At most, we could have one list of current colors and one list of retired colors. I question the importance of listing this information in the first place (see WP:Listcruft). I'm going to pare it down unless someone gives a good reason. --emw 22:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I am the culprit. I made that section because I think people would like to know a bit about the history of Rickenbacker's colors. I suppose I tend to err on the side of more information rather then less. I agree the way I did it was really redundant, though. I see it has been changed now to a smaller section that features some pretty nifty looking graphs. Looks great! --Strawberry Pudding Wings

I added the graphs, which take up less space and conveys the information in a more intuitive manner. It was a gruelling effort and the colors might not be perfect, but that's the best I could do on short notice from the available list (see Web colors#X11 color names). If anyone thinks a different color is closer to the real thing feel free to tweak 'em. --Deon Steyn 06:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ric players section

We need to establish some criteria for inclusion in the Ric players section of the article; it's already too long. I've just removed two names because, at the bare minimum, I think that the player (or the band the player is in) should be notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. Red link players in red link bands should be deleted. Again, this should be a bare minimum.

I would also argue that it's disingenuous (even if technically accurate) to include notable players who may have played a Ric on a couple of songs, but are primarily associated with other brands. Jimi Hendrix is the perfect example. He may have played a Ric at some point, but he's not known as a "Ric player." Strat, Flying V, SG, etc., etc. before Ric. --emw 18:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content

Just for future reference, the third 12 string made was NOT a 660/12 but a 625/12 which Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers purchased later. The first 660/12 was not made until 1989-ish as a Tom Petty signature edition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.151.244 (talk) 03:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rickenbacker links - unofficial page.

Hello, I have read the WP:EL policy more than once and I understand the fact that fansites generally should not be linked,

My question is - What about unofficial sites that contain vast amount of information that is not available in other places?

rickresource.com (the site I was trying to link to from the Rickenbacker guitars page) is currently the most comprehensive site for Rickenbacker guitars as well as it has the largest forum with participant of many Rickenbacker Luthiers and Rickenbacker officials. There is NO copyright violation anywhere on this site and every copyrighted material is used with a permission from RIC.

So, back to my question: Don't you think this is a bit bizarre that the most comprehensive Rickenbacker webpage is "banned" from the Rickenbacker article on Wikipedia? I have tried to resolve this dispute with the person who removed the links to no avail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:156.34.217.92 Thanks, GilbsonLP 11:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Is the "vast amount of information" original research, and does it provide a source? If not, it shouldn't really be added. Jack?! 04:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Some material is an original published research of Peter McCormack, Assistant Psychology professor at St. Thomas University (New Brunswick), some of it is contributed by others, most of which containing references to external sources, additionally - Rickresource offers a huge Rickenbacker register that provides statistical analysis of models/years/finish/etc... as well as stolen Rickenbackers database. GilbsonLP (talk) 11:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

A few more details:

[edit] Cobain's 4001 bass

Thedarxide requested a source for "Even Kurt Cobain was said to have a lefty Rickenbacker 4001".

I tried to find it, but the best i found was a couple of forums in Portuguese and Spanish:

All the rest that i can google up is copied from Wikipedia.

I am not mercilessly removing it, but a better source is needed. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)