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Contents 1 "The Curry Incident" 2 Rick's Photo 3 "New Age" 4 "Most influential" 5 Wakeman's Heart Attacks 6 Clive Dunn's Follow Up Single 7 INFLUENCES 8 Comedy

[edit] "The Curry Incident"

In the Yes group bio book Close To The Edge, Wakeman tells the story a bit differently; I changed the recount here to match.

[edit] Rick's Photo

That photograph is really unfortunate.

Oh, bother. The picture has a Hammond B3 in it! It's anything BUT unfortunate. Firenexx 01:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it's bad ass. --Drowse 00:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

No photo of Rick Wakeman is unfortunate, none - never! loyalone 04:01, 19 December 2005

Somebody replaced the photo for no apparent reason. Horrors! I liked the previous one much better. In fact, the newer one wasn't photographed well at all, and it's just his face. As in many other musician articles, Jimmy Page for instance, I feel it would be most appropriate to have a musician's photo of him playing his instrument. I put the other one back in in place of one of the album ones. If no one opposes or suggests otherwise, in a few days (or when I get around to it) I'll replace the new one because it's really not a great photograph at all, especially not for a musician's article.firenexx 01:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Please. Stop. Doing. That. We don't need an edit war going on here. If you feel the need to keep switching the image to that blotched wide one with his face, at least provide some rationale, that's what the discussion page is for. Don't just keep changing it back. There's a fair use comment tag for the cape image, that was the original one, and I even put that new one to the right of the discography. If you have a good reason for changing it, please say so. firenexx 21:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys, please, could we not use both, at different parts of the article. Both photo (assuming copyrights are ok) are good photos and bother do and say different things about the man, one in action and from an older period, one more personal and of an up to date timescale. :: Kevinalewis : please contact me on my Talk Page : 09:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

That's what I did, only somebody deleted it again and put the other one back on the top. firenexx 22:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "New Age"

In regards to the person who edited, noting "New Age Spam!," although that might have been a little overreaction since I'm sure the person who originally put that category didn't intend it as spam; I do agree that Rick Wakeman is far from considered as a New Age keyboardist/pianist. firenexx 02:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Most influential"

"is considered by many to be the most influential keyboardist of all time" - come off it! Wakeman is at best average. In his TV performances on programmes like "Have I Got News for You" and "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" (both on the BBC) he even takes the mickey out of his _own_ performances. Wakeman was a prog-rock posuer and joker but he was never all that good. I suggest we modify this to "is considered by many to be the most over the top keyboardist of the progressive era" -what do you think? MarkThomas 09:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly been edited now. It says something like: "many believe he was actually a keyboardist." Not my doing, by the way.

--FrasierC 12:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

=="Who thinks that every new and old keybordist don't think in Wakeman as somebody "Influential"???.... Let's face it... he really is one of the best

[edit] Wakeman's Heart Attacks

Just one question... Where are the sources for Wakeman's several heart attacks occuring in the 70's? (And how can someone survive several heart attacks? How much is 'several' in this case?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.177.43.44 (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC). 129.177.43.44 18:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I remember Rick Wakeman's heart attacks well - I read about them in the papers at the time (possible Melody Maker?). Anyway, I checked at the BBC (generally reliable) and he had 3 heart attacks by the time he was 26, also see interview, refs here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3580451.stm

http://www.geocities.com/drummerinterviews/rickwakeman.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.242.158 (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clive Dunn's Follow Up Single

"There's no one quite like Grandma" was a UK hit for the St Winifred's School Choir and not a follow up to Clive Dunn's hit "Grandad".

The undoing of Wakeman

== Undid version that excludes references to Wakeman's influences - why objections to that? And don't say it's because it doesn't have references, references can be attached later to verify. Emerson, because he was famous for lead rock organ before Wakeman, and Wakeman took much from him; Ritchie because he was the first lead rock organist, and the model for both of them. But my guess is other person doesn't want ANY reference to ANY influence on Wakeman. This can go on indefinitely, but mainly deleting to make the point and see if consensus can be reached rather than edit war.

[edit] INFLUENCES

Ridiculous to have nothing here about Keith Emerson or Billy Ritchie. Rick would never have had the platform to operate on were it not for these two guys.DaveEx 22:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comedy

Is it worth mentioning in the opening paragraph that Rick is a "musician and stand up comedian" as opposed to just a "musician". Some readers may be more likely to remember him on Grumpy Old Men, compering at UK comedy club Jongleurs or appearing in a humourous guise on Never Mind The Buzzcocks, rather than any of his musical output. --Ritchie333 (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)