Talk:Requiem (Berlioz)

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[edit] Orchestration

Don't have the complete percussion battery on hand, but I will update that. I am pretty sure each timpanist has only two drums, hence 16 timpani, 8 timpanists, but I will check on that too. There's also some interesting notes in the score about the string count that I'd like to include. For now I've changed the timpani to 16 unless you know otherwise. Thanks Andy for adding all the links MarkBuckles 18:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Done MarkBuckles 15:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
ARE THERE HARPS in the requiem? I really don't think so. Please remove the harps in the orchestration section if they don't exist. I am not sure, so I am not acting. -- A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 16:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a copy of the score in front of me, and it doesn't list harp on the orchestration page. – flamurai (t) 16:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources?

We need sources for the quotes attributed to Berlioz. --MarkBuckles 19:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe that most are of the website provided in the article. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 17:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] second movement orchestration

2. Dies irae - Tuba mirum In the second movement, there seems to be 32 timpani, four bass drums and four tam-tams. That is contradicting to the orchestration before mentioned. There are only 16, 2, and 4, as stated in the orchestration section. I am fixing it. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 14:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I may have gotten that wrong. Don't have the score in front of me right now. Thanks. --MarkBuckles 02:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the second movement, not the orchestration section. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 20:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Description of Movments

This section does not seem very encyclopedic to me. I think it either needs to be cut or heavily reworked. Thoughts? --MarkBuckles 02:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure how to rework this referred section. Maybe it should be just a large paragraph. If it doesn't work, it may have to be taken out of the article. I will change the section to a few paragraphs. Revert if not pleased. Excuse me for a belated reply. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 20:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. I am somewhat satisfied. How is it? A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 20:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks much better in paragraph form. Nice job. I copyedited the prose and made some additions and cuts. -- MarkBuckles 10:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alto horn

did it exist yet? Maybe the horn in A was a regular French horn in A. A Wang (talk/contrb.) 19:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll take another look to verify the orchestration, but I'm pretty sure I just copied it out of the full score. I didn't even know what an alto horn was so I wouldn't have assumed it for a horn in A. MarkBuckles (talk) 05:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I checked "requiem berlioz alto horn" on http://www.google.com and this article itself came up. There is also the http://www.answers.com/topic/requiem-berlioz article that copies this wiki article. A Wang (talk/contrb.) 13:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
The Alto Horn is part of the saxhorn family, and not what Berlioz is asking for. the score calls for horns in "A Alto, Bb basso" in addition to others. The reason for this is that some crooks where available in 2 octaves, including A and Bb. The distinction is made by calling the smaller crook 'alto' and the larger one 'bass'. see Natural Horn.
Also, the way the horns are listed in the instrumentation, as having specific horns in certain keys, is not accurate. The 12 horn players would each bring several crooks, and would change throughout the piece. the same is true of the Clarinets and trumpets. I am changing the way these are listed to match the layout in the Dover edition of the score, Though I wonder if it would be better to remove the key designations altogether, as they're only useful for the performers. Bobthb 07:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Off-stage brass ensembles

I realise that it still needs citation, but just to confirm that the numbers and information about the four off-stage brass ensembles is correct, as I was lucky enough to be one of the four ophicleides/tubas (South band) at a recent production of the work in the Royal Albert Hall, London. Tomayres (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ophicleides

An anonymous user replaced, ‘tubas,’ in the instrumentation of the fourth brass choirs, with, ‘ophicleides,’ at 4 January 2008. A flag was put on that statement only five minutes later. It has been like that ever since. Should the word, ‘ophicleides,’ be removed? ♫ The Grand Harp ♫ (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

As the tagger (and initial creator of the article) I vote to just revert the whole thing, really. In fact, I will do it right now. If there is any opposition afterwards, please voice it. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 23:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I am not the one who made this edit but I would just like to input that the original score names the four tubas in South Choir as ophicleides and not tubas, although there are parts specifically for tuba in the main orchestral body. Tomayres (talk) 18:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)