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This page is a waste of precious disk space. Peace.

Would you mind saying why? You've also said this in the entry on Master Sergeant Gordon. Douglasnicol 16:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

It is with honor and humility that I write this short note.

I was not aware of anything ever happening in Africa untill the movie "Blackhawk down" was released in the year 2001. From what I have been able to collect and read concerning the incident Randall Shughart and Gary Gordon acted with courage,determination and thought nothing of them selves and only for their comrade in arms.

I salute them and bow to their actions and pray that if I am ever faced with an dillema such as this that God will grant me strength and purity of heart to do as those two fine men did.

Forgive me if there are spelling mistakes I am only 15 years of age and english is not my first language.

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[edit] Moved:

[1] "Randy" is more common. --Jiang 02:00, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Why was this moved to SFC Randall Shughart (US Army)? --Jiang

Ditto - UtherSRG 03:11, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Because when search engines list pages they use the title of the page as the main link. Being detailed and precise in the title removes all confussion from users of what they should click. For example, if they see a page titled "Randy Shughart" and one named "SFC Randall 'Randy' Shughart (US Army)" which one do you think they would click? Check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision). Btw, before you use Google Fight as a resource, you should do a deep through of the search. If you didn't notice, most of the pages that come up with "Randy Shughart" have the title "SFC Randall Shughart". IMO, the page should be moved to SFC Randall 'Randy' Shughart (US Army), but that's just me. :) --Maio 12:52, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)

The proper US military naming convention would be SFC Randall "Randy" Shughart, USA. Or Sergeant First Class Randall "Randy" Shughart, U.S. Army. Or SFC Randall "Randy" Shughart, U.S. Army. (most commonly used.) Swatjester 07:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

As a convention its (Rank Abbreviation) (First name) "Nickname if any" (Last Name), U.S. (branch of service).

Whoever wrote that this page was a waste of disk space needs hit with a brick.

Amen to that Douglasnicol 22:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Seconded. A Sniper shot seems more poetic justice though IMHO. Mcase07 (talk) 20:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POV

"only" "intense", c'mon, these words like these make this a novelization of a movie, not an encyclopaedic entry. Fix it up. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks better a year later now. Jmlk17 06:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to his body?

Was it ever recovered or what. Gary Gordon's page says nothing about this either. The army didn't just leave them behind did they? - Tronno ( t | c ) 06:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

According to Mark Bowden's book both Gary and Randy's bodies were recovered. If you read the book you can conclude that Randy was the one seen being drug around in the streets of Mogadishu.Cannibalorgydotcomdotnet (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect sir. Yes MSG. Shughart's body was recovered after several days. The infamous picture of the US Soldier being dragged shirtless through the street was not either of the CAG Snipers. It was of crew chief Cleveland. Please re-read the annotations in Black Hawk Down (book) Mcase07 (talk) 20:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs attention

The Biography section is not a biography, but rather a rehash, practically verbatim, of the events leading up to Shughart's death as published here.[2] While the information on that site is in the public domain, and should be included here somehow, a proper biography still should be here.

As for the Medal of Honor citation section, it's a mess, repeating almost word-for-word what was cut and pasted above. That's just stupidity or laziness, or both. Alcarillo 17:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I already stared cleaning up the article on Shughart's teammante, Gary Gordon. There I edited down to the essentials the actions leading to their deaths. I think the text on Gordon's page could easily be adapted for this one.Alcarillo 15:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team size incorrect?

So in passing I noticed that this page states that he was part of a two man sniper team. I recall Mark Bowden writing that it was a three man team, but one of the Blackhawk's crew chiefs was injured and the third sniper took control of the mini-gun. I'll look for the page right now. Does anyone else recall this?- Yes. Page 178 of the book states the third team member was Sergeant First Class Brad Hallings.Jslowik 02:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

And page 197 explains that Hallings took control of the minigun after a crew chief was injured. Jslowik 02:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Brad Hallings took command after the crew chief was wounded and unable to man the M137. Hallings took over and there are rumors (unsubstantiated) that he swore he would lay down cover for the now 2-man sniper team. Unsubstantiated yes, but the bird was forced to return to formation in orbiting the area. Will read up to confirm. Mcase07 (talk) 20:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] MOH Ceremony

I've read that Shugharts fatehr refused to shake the then president's hand. And despite the fact that multiple webisites, support that claim, the revision stating that is always undone. So WTF? Ref —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cannibalorgydotcomdotnet (talk • contribs) 21:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I would direct your attention to Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. If content is not verifiable, then it cannot be included. The second and third references you cited did not include the content you are using them to cite. This is especially important when living persons (two persons in this case) are involved. ~ S0CO(talk|contribs) 21:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)