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Definately needs a picture -Redwolf24

added a picture - jennn

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[edit] Rhoads' family?

I remember reading that Rhoads had a bass-playing brother, Kelle, and a sister. Is Delores Rhoads still living?--MarshallStack 06:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Kelle is a drummer and Randy's sister's name is Kathy... and yes, Delores is still alive. (She was just at the 25th anniversary memorial). Wolf2112 23:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


I recently read that Delores, Dee, donated money in Randy Rhoad's memory to CSUN.VegSXEBassist 03:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who?

Who is "Josh Moses (his son)"? Google seemingly knows nothing of him. ozzmosis 05:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Some of the other names listed as influenced by Randy seem a bit dubious too. ozzmosis 15:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed lesser known musicians from this section. I will be adding references to the remaining musicians in the near future. Markm62 18:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Garni

Garni was kicked out of QR. Probably better to make mention of this. stupidkrazykarl 19:28 19 January 2006

Presumably belongs in the Quiet Riot, or the Garni article, not this one. --ozzmosis 19:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

In re: "proper tone"

He's a rock god the tone should reflect that. Get off your high horse.

Don't know what this refers to. --ozzmosis 19:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No Garni quit QR because he wanted to become a paramedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.137.205 (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Structure

I think the main part of this article needs to be broken up. The text is too dense. BenjMartin 13.12 5 April 2006

Half the thing is quotes. Is this a biography or an A&E interview? --209.122.74.2 04:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've moved the quotes to their own section below the biography. They were a distraction in the biography and clearly did not belong there. Having said that, I'm not sure the belong in the article at all. --ozzmosis 19:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

The quotation section should be removed, and placed on wikiquote.org joekiser 01:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family

Kelle was not his brother it was his best friend who he tought to play the bass. Also he does have a sister.

You are probably thinking of Kelly Garni. Read this ... --ozzmosis 18:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


Kelle Rhoads was Randy's Older brother who is most notably a composer but also a notable drummer. He has also done singing and teaching. On his myspace blog he talks about being Randy Rhoad's brother and Delores being his mom. VegSXEBassist 03:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influence on Yngwie Malmsteen

Somehow, I cannot imagine Yngwie saying he was influenced by Randy. Is this the author's opinion, or is it documented? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.223.215 (talk • contribs)

It's not impossible given Yngwie's first album was released after Rhoads' death. The Yngwie article only mentions Ritchie Blackmore and Al Di Meola as his main influences though. So perhaps it is just "wishful thinking" from another editor. --ozzmosis 08:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually now that I think of it, there is a cover version floating around of Mr Crowley by Yngwie, so it's probably not so far-fetched. --ozzmosis 08:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I consider Randy Rhoads the first true neo-classical artist. Yngwie seems a bit pretentious in this area, though he is a great guitarist. It seems to me that Yngwie is more of a Randy rhoads follower than the other way around. But even though there are tons of facts that point to Yngwie being a follower, such as working with almost every bassist that Randy Rhoads did (I say almost cause I havent;' cheked them all) there is something on All Media Guide listing Yngwie as a follower of Randy Rhoads and being influecned by . VegSXEBassist 04:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Virtuoso

Not to say Rhoads wasn't an amazing guitarist, but I would beg to differ with someone who calls him a virtuoso. A virtuoso is someone who exceeds in every style of playing, and I have yet to even hear of anything Rhoads has done outside of Classical, Rock, and Blues. Those aren't the only 3 styles of music, people.

Sorry, there is no such stipulation: A virtuoso (from Italian virtuoso, late Latin virtuosus, latin virtus meaning: skill, manliness, excellence) is an individual who possesses outstanding technical ability at singing or playing a musical instrument. 71.244.86.178 20:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Rhodes is not a virtuoso guitarist. His skill seriously pales when compared to real virtuosos such as [Andrés Segovia] and [Allan Holdsworth]. These two men are true virtuosos. Players like Page, Blackmore, Clapton, and Rhodes, though I enjoy their playing (I'm no hater), they arn't virtuosos. Anyways, virtuoso really is not an objective description, and I don't think it belongs on Wikipedia, unless it is being used in a quote.

Rhoads was called a guitar virtuoso on magazines, so that´s why this is cited on the article. I agree with you that the term is used loosely today. The standards for a virtuoso are very low today. There were times a virtuoso was needed to know every single style of his instrument, sometimes even the inner-workings of it. Niccolo Paganini was considered the very first violin virtuoso. He had done things that were thought to be impossible on his era. Today, many of his techiniques are common practice for classically trained violinists. So a virtuoso classification is pretty much POV (Lizt would probably tell you that he didn´t thought Beethoven a virtuoso, simply because Lizt´s music was much more difficult to play than Beethoven´s). In the past virtuoso was necessarily a composer too. One had to be a virtuoso both in composition and perfoming. Well, today we get Eric Clapton and Hendrix and call them virtuoso. They pale when compared to the standards of classical music virtuosity, but are considered virtuosi by the general public standards. Virtuosity means, above all, the perfect reproduction of the composer work. The virtuosi were a tool for the composer, which used them to exactly reproduce his intent when writing music. Modern music often isn´t even written!!! A virtuoso is capable to get a score and play it perfectly without studying it. So many studio musicians today are virtuosi, but many famous musicians aren´t. Oh! How long a reply... read the Virtuoso discussion for more insights on this matter. Regards. Loudenvier 21:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Randy most certainly was a virtuoso. Simply listen to the Crazy Train solo, and try to say that he isn't. He will continue to be labelled as such.

I agree he was a virtuoso! Check out the blinding speed on the Tribute album. Mr. Crowley, I Don't Know, The Spotlight Solo, Over The Mountain ect. are very difficult! RandyRhoadsRonnieDio

It doesn't matter, saying that he's a "virtuoso" is POV. 75pickup (talk · contribs)

There are tons of POV's. Calling his Career short is POV should we take that down too? I think the loose term Virtuoso is justified in Randy Rhoad's case. VegSXEBassist 04:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

By the standards of classical music, Randy Rhoads is a virtruoso. He was classically trained and could read score, he was play his guitar many different ways, pionered styles, and by technical prowess he has enough speed to be a virtruoso. You also have to figure at the time of dominant classical music, only classical music and folk music were really around. Thats two styles. Randy has much more than 2 styles under his belt. (He has pop too if you've listened to the Randy Rhoads years cover of "Afterglow") so, therefore he is, by all definitions, met the standards of a virtruoso, because if you time his solos, you will count over 200 notes per minute if your ears can keep track. He pushed boundaries into pioneering new ideas. He increased the tonal harmonies the guitar could have in rock and metal by adding in new modes and chords previously unused. And he wrote them, not Bob Daisley or Ozzy. He branched out into atleast 4 styles. End of Discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.187.238 (talk) 02:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rhoads influenced Adrian Smith & Dave Murray?!

Adrian and Dave never mentioned Randy as their influences,their influences are Gary Moore & dudes from Thin Lizzy not someone like Rhoads.Adrian and Dave started their own career back in 1975.I'm going to delete their names -- brucethegreat

Although whether Rhoads influenced them or not is arguable, their influences are certainly not what you mentioned. — Prodigenous Zee - 11:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm big fan of Dave and specially Adrian for about 8 years.Adrian lists Jimi Hendrix, Gary Moore and Blackmore and dave names Jimi Hendrix, Robin Trower, and Paul Kossoff as their influences. -- brucethegreat

From what I've read Randy Rhoads was a similar guitarist but not an influence. VegSXEBassist 04:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Randy Rhoads Years

just 2 quick thoughts, the randy rhoads years isn't a gh compilation cause they had no american hits, it's more of a best of,

and shouldn't the rr years be listed uner the notable events? I mean, if thunderbird was, why not this?

[edit] NPOV?

The comment at the end about 'being in the top 5' should be deleted, not becasue it may not be true, but because it is the opinion of the poster and violates NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.143.47 (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I cleaned up most of the vandalism i found in the article, but i couldn't tell if the bit about a "short-lived band called "The Whore" was fact or vandalism
does anybody have info or a source? 69.138.197.238 (talk) 04:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blizzard/Diary Recording Session

Right now the Career section says "The band toured extensively and then quickly wrote and recorded a follow-up album." I had heard that both albums were recorded at about the same time. After the Blizzard tour in 1981, they took a short vacation, then Diary was released (it had already been recorded the previous year), they got a new stage, & the tour continued. That's why Rudy didn't play on Diary, but toured with Blizzard. I remember interviews with Ozzy stating he did this deliberately. Sorry, I don't have the original articles here with me to justify editing the article, but hope that this tip will prompt someone to research it, & make the appropriate edit.--Funhistory (talk)

[edit] Greensburg Guitar Seminar

I was one of the fortunate to attend this special event (along with Paul Gilbert) about a month before Randy was killed, & will eventually add something to the article after I publish a detailed blog of my account along with a few photos.--Funhistory (talk) 00:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)