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[edit] ...

Is there any official news about a break-up? JimmyShelter 09:18, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No. There wasn't. Rancid has had side projects for a long time, it means little. Sounds like some non-facts getting into there. Since it can't be verified by any stretch of the imagination, it has no place in an encyclopedia. THollan

THollan, I found it on the Internet Movie Database of Tim Armstrong, that's how I found out about some break-up. Well, it seems that somebody must be wrong when it was posted it at the "Where Are They Now?" section. -- Mike Garcia 23:06, 9 Mar

2005 (UTC)

I will try and find out where in the charts their singles were. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:35, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


I think the section about Billy Joe Armstrong is a little confusing when it refers to "Armstrong", because it could also be talking about Tim Armstrong (aren't they brothers?)--CallmeNiel 03:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC) no they are not brothers! btw it's Billie joe

Billie Joe Armstrong and Tim Armstrong have to be related in some way. Not only did Green Day in the early days play with OpIvy (early incarnation of Rancid, with Tim Armstrong) and watch their shows in the old Bay City scene, but they have consistently remained fans of Operation Ivy and Rancid to this day and Billie Joe has done some work with them. I find it hard to believe that Billie Joe isn't at least a cousin or something of Tim's.

They are in no way related. Armstrong is a fairly common name. Billie Joe was just an avid Op Ivy fan and developed a friendship with Tim which has been maintained to this day.

Just because people sometimes have the same last name (like Williams, Johnson, Jones or Smith), doesn't mean they're actually related. Like for example: MxPx's Mike Herrera also has the same last name as the drummer from Suicidal Tendencies, but does that mean they could be related as well? Alex 03:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indestructible

This makes no sense

(the 2003 follow-up album Indestructible was released by Warner Bros. Records where the band continue to be signed to this day.**) Rancid's 2003 album Indestructible was released under Hellcat Records. While Warner Bros. Records were responsible for distribution of this album. Rancid never actually signed to Warner Bros. Records.

So Indestructible was:

1. Released by Warner Bros
2. Released under Hellcat but distributed by Warner Bros

and Rancid:

1. are currently signed to Warner Bros
2. have never been signed to Warner Bros

If I've interpretted this incorrectly, perhaps it needs to be reworded.

--Aioth 09:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Rancid is indeed still on Hellcat Records. Hellcat and Warner Bros hooked up in a distribution deal with the goal being more album sales and promotion for Indestructible. Warner Bros dealt only with the marketing and advertising of the album. If you look at a copy of Indestructible, there is no Warner Bros logo on it, just Hellcat. They are on Hellcat with promotional help from Warner Bros.24.144.213.69 02:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but if you look at epitaph records, there is no record of them releasing their cd through epitaph, so I think in all honesty, the page should relfect that. Only the LP appears to be released through Epitaph, so why not note that on the page?

[edit] Side Projects

Matt Freeman was also a member of Aunite Christ, along with Exene and DJ Bonebreak from the band X. He appeared on their Lookout Records release, "Life Could Be a Dream" L176, February 1997. He toured with the band for a bit then had to leave the band because Rancid was recording/touring more.

Also, is it me or was ...And Out Come the Wolves more of a commercial success than Let's Go? I think Time Bomb, Roots Radicals and Ruby Soho did better on the airwaves and television than any Let's Go single.

And finally, Lars Fredericksen it should be noted that he has produced quite a few Oi/Street Punk band's albums including: Swingin' Utters - Streets of San Francisco, Patriot - We the People, Pressure Point - Cross to Bear and Life's Blood as well as The Forgotten - Veni Vidi Vici. There are most likely more, but those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head. He also did some back up guitars and vocals for Union 13's Roots Radicals cover on the Give 'Em The Boot 1 compilation. clash77 - August 13, 2006

[edit] Other Songs Appeared On

Both Tim and Lars have also appeared on: Dr. Israel's Inna City Pressure album, the song "Coppers" On the West Memphis 3 Compilation, Rise Above DJ Citizen D 03:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop punk

Shouldn't pop punk be added, because some websites such as the amg refer to them as that.DavidJJJ 20:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah i agree. if you could add pop punk as one of their genres and cite the sources it should be fine ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) 10:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well I haven't seen any negatives and I also agree so I'm adding Pop Punk to the genres.--Dr who1975 17:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Somebody wanted a citation... so I have added that as well.--Dr who1975 23:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree. how are they pop-punk? If you listen to these guys then compare them to other bands labeled pop-punk such as sum 41, blink-182, simple plan, or good charlotte, theres definitely a huge difference. if you want to change the genre at all, I suggest that it should be Punk Rock, Ska Punk, and Hardcore Punk. a good example of when their hardcore punk sound is heard is in the album Rancid (2000 album). and about the citation, i don't think that about.com is a reliable source to label any band from. anyone up to changing it?
I don't agree either. Allmusic.com is wrong, Rancid has never been a pop-punk band as far as I can honestly tell. When I listen to their albums, including ...And Out Come the Wolves, their music is far more like ska or whatever genre that is similar to punk and none of the songs they use sorta have pop-punk. I've had an incident of something like this at The Offspring's talk page months ago. Alex 04:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
If you look not only at the definition on allmusic but also at the definition of pop punk on wikipedia. Pop punk bands are any bands that have elements of pop and punk, and Rancid is mentioned on it. I actually don;t totally agree with the definition but if you want to try to change it then be my guest.--Dr who1975 22:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Rancid being Pop Punk is incorrect and an insult to them. i dont care what citations you have, it needs to me removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.246.61 (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
You said it's an insult but you don't explain why. Ranicd has many pop songs such as Ruby Soho. Many bands on wikipedia are labeled pop punk such as The Ramones,The Jam, and NOFX... the definition of pop punk on wikipedia is any band that has element of pop and punk so this could even apply to many other bands. Rancid is even mentioned on the pop punk page.--Dr who1975 17:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree that Rancid should be labeled Pop Punk. Rancid may have a couple of songs with elements of Pop Punk such as Ruby Soho as previously said, but really wikipedia is about the broad genre of a band. If wikipedia was about naming every musical style that a band uses rarely in their songs than each band would be defined by probably eight genres; however that’s not the case. The couple of songs that Rancid does have that could be described as pop-punk hardly justifies them being labeled as pop-punk on their wikipedia article. I don’t think it really matters what citation you have, random websites describing band’s genres are usually just opinions; the only people who should be able to label a band is the band, and as far as I hear Rancid never describes themselves as Pop Punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.184.66 (talk) 00:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Read what User:Dr who1975 says about lacking the pop punk genre above. Alex 04:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
If Pop Punk is added, why isn't Reggae? They have just as many Reggae songs.GenLancelot (talk) 02:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I strongly agree as well, and now that's 7 negatives now so I'm removing it because I don't thnk it is accrate to lump themin a genre with bands like Blink 182 and Good Charlotte. They are instead more akin to a '77 classic-style older punk sound. User:Tim010987 (talk) 07:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

But this isn't about voting... wikipedia is not a democracy... you have to make valid arguments with valid citations.... the pop punk genre is cited and the others that you left were not (although I went ahead and cited them now). I am reverting your change. COnsidering pop punk is cited... you're going to be hard pressed to find a valid argument to remove it.--Dr who1975 (talk) 03:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hellcat

I thought that only Indestructible was released under Hellcat records while all other albums were released under Epitaph. On Rancid (skull cover) wiki site the label is listed as Epitaph. Can someone check this out? Likthem 22:55, 02 March 2007 (UTC)

-Life Won't Wait was the last album to feature Epitaph on the CD case/Disc, from then on Hellcat is used. Therefore Rancid (2000) and Indestructible are both marked Hellcat.

[edit] 2006 and Later

I removed the comment about selling out in reference to their recording songs with Good Charlotte and Kelly Osbourne. Regardless of our personal feelings on occurrences such as this, this is a violation of NPOV. Stick to the facts.

Also, sources need to be cited on the reasons as to why Frederiksen collapsed on stage in August 2006. As of yet, I found nothing that positively asserted that drugs were related to it, so I've tagged those lines with citations needed, and I will remove those if no one is able to prove that assertion. Rekrdskratcher 05:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new rancid project?

  • Is this just made up? i've never heard of this and not even the official website describes anything about it.--Worthlessboy1420 00:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I haven't heard anything about this either. I asked an Indonesian punk from the band "The Radio" and he said that he had heard nothing of the sort either. He heard a rumour that Rancid will be opening a skatepark in Bali soon though. I stress the word rumour. Please excuse me if I did this wrong- I am a newbie on wikipedia. Qld1977 (Qld1977 11:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

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Why does everyone earase Third Save Ska when I puy it under genres even though Let's Go was Third Wave Ska?


Let's Go doesn't have any ska at all, so that doesn't really make sense.151.71.219.205 13:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Rancid-1993-cover.jpg

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[edit] lung cancer - link dead

the link to [[1]] seems to be dead. if it stays that way, it should be removed. --Autoplombe 02:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Adding OI! As A Genre?

They say it alot in they music...Oi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.170.228 (talk • contribs)

Saying "Oi!" doesn't make a band Oi! though. The Clash said "Oi!" a bit too. Rancid have some of the elements of Oi! that The Clash took on later in their career, but neither are Oi! bands. ~ Switch (✉✍☺☒) 07:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

They have many songs that are Oi! or street punk. The self-titled album has a lot of ska, but many Oi! elements —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.219.44.2 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Street punk is already listed.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IPA

Is the pronunciation really needed? Isn't it the same as the word rancid? 69.12.143.197 01:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, I'm gonna remove it.Hoponpop69 18:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] If you agree a source listing Rancid as alternative pop is a bad source...

Please speak out here [2]. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Hoponpop69 18:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A larger conversation on this has opened up here.[3] Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 03:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] It's Not Dead

I'm not sure if this is vandalism, but someone called the band's upcoming album It's Not Dead. Whoever added this title for the new album should note that it's not confirmed by the band, their management, or their label. Alex (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)