Talk:Rajah Lakandula
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I think this guy is one of my ancestors.ystakei Says:
March 27th, 2006 at 12:28 am
You should worry about the plan to make the Midget a queen as in the case of other countries with a parliamentary form of government because they were/are originally monarchical as in the case of Japan or Thailand, and even China for that matter.
Proof of this in fact is the fraudulent claim that the Midget is descended from Lakan Dula of Manila whose descendants in fact refute such claim.
I remember Ellen writing about some crest allegedly of the family of Arroyo on display at Malacanang just to prove that the Midget and her husband are fantasizing on becoming royalties.
When I read that, I was reminded of the family crests in UK especially in Scotland where they even have varying kilts for each prominent family there. Many families in Europe have such crest and symbols but it does not necessarily mean that everyone is of royal blood for they may be peasants possessed by the landed gentries.
The truth is I have such crests and symbols that I ordered from some genealogical society in Europe for my two European origins.
I have this information from a reliable source that a group of Filipinos in KSA, who have received funding to form a pro-GMA group, has started singing “God Save the Queen” in reference to the Midget! Susmaryosep!
- Jcdizon 03:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Rajah versus Lakandula
Lakandula, like the word rajah, is a TITLE of nobility. It is not a personal name. Various scholars on Philippine history keep pointing this out. Lakandula is the hereditary title of the rulers of Tondo who, unlike the rulers of Manila, were not Muslims. Tondo was politically distinct and autonomous from Manila in the 16th century. Unlike the rulers of Manila who were heavily influenced by Brunei, the rulers of Tondo retained their indigenous titles and did not call themselves "rajahs". The two words, "rajah" and "lakandula" simply negate each other. Please check your sources. Thank you. Ushiwaka (talk) 16:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Rajah and Lakan are both titles. So, Rajah Lakan Dula is an oxymoron. It is just like Don Mister Lopez or Miss Binibining Gloria. Either you call it Rajah Dula or Lakan Dula or Gat Dula but never Rajah Lakan Dula. Please show some respect to the Filipino pre-hispanic history.202.86.204.114 (talk) 06:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge to Lakandula
An article on Lakandula already exists. Any pertinent info in this article should be integrated into that article. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ Talk 09:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lakan Dula of Tondo versus Lacandola of Lubao: Who is Real,Who is Reel?
Based on "Lacandola of Lubao" unique article, it is strongly possible that Lakan Dula of Tondo and Lacandola of Lubao are totally different persons. First proof: Philippine history would say that Lakan Dula of Tondo is a Muslim, while the "Lacandola of Lubao" unique article said that this guy Lacandola is a pagan, big difference. Second proof: Lakan Dula of Tondo is a fighter to the end, he is even referred to as Gat Dula, etc. This Lacandola of Lubao is a Spanish collaborator, according to its own article, and to be branded as a traitor is something that the legitimate descendants of Lakan Dula of Tondo will not accept without a fight, so, they will not identify with that dude Lacandola, whoever he is.Third proof: take note of the differences in the spelling: Lakan Dula is with "k" and "u".Lacandola is with "c" and "o". Fourth proof: the Spanish alphabet doesnt have letter "K" but alibata has, so, Lakan Dula is native.On the other hand, Lacandola uses "c" which is hispanic, so, they could be referring on two totally different persons in a very different time span. Fifth proof, Lakan Dula is consistent with the pre hispanic history of name system: official title (Lakan) and single name (Dula), and they are separated,like Datu Sumakwel is not spelled as Datusumakwel. We dont have surnames during the pre-hispanic era. The Lacandola guy is saying that that Lacandola is already its full name, without any title. All in all, we suggest that let the historical Lakan Dula of Tondo flourish and let that certain Lacandola dude of Lubao exists too, for whatever purpose it may serve.If its a fiction, then, let it be.But let us be clear that they are totally differrent and there is no point of linking them.However,if the article would say that Lacandola is only an adopted name because the person is a descendant of Lakan Dula of Tondo, and they are afraid of hispanic prosecution, as lots of Filipions were, according to our history that is why they hid his identity, then, thats sound more logical and historical too. But the article is not saying so. So, it is really probable that this is a case of wrong attributions to two totally different subjects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.53.100.187 (talk) 02:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- "Lacandola of Lubao"? Is there such an article in the English WP? -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ Talk 10:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ang Sumpa ni Lakan Dula ng Tondo
We have been hearing of some legends about Lakan Dula from our old folks. Is it probable that we can somehow incorporate some of the legends that we been hearing about him in this article? Like, maybe, if its possible, then, we can incorporate the "Lacandola of Lubao" tales, written by the grandfather of President Gloria Arroyo. Here is another legend that we can also probably include together with "Lacandola of Lubao" tales, the "Sumpa ni Lakan Dula" legend:
SUMPA NI LAKAN DULA
President Erap was supported by the Dulay Clan of Marikina Valley when he run for senator and later vice president in 1992, until the time he run for President and won. But after winning the presidency, Erap neglected the CLAN. Erap was booted out of office and was convicted.
President Gloria Arroyo was supported by the Dulay Clan of Marikina Valley, when she run for senator, vice president and in EDSA Dos against Erap. But after she assumed the presidency, she neglected the CLAN. Will GMA be booted out also, and be convicted of crimes later?
MAY SUMPA KAYA SI LAKAN DULA?
We know that this is still a legend that has to be accepted through time, and I think it will not pass the Wikipedia standard same way as the "Lacandola of Lubao" tales. As this article is being written, the fulfillment of "SUMPA NI LAKAN DULA" is presently unfolding in the Philippines today. Filipinos from all walks of life are demanding the resignation of President Arroyo for a series of corruption charges. Is the Sumpa of Lakan Dula now working on President Arroyo after it worked on President Erap? Is the "Sumpa" just coincidental or it is rooted on the psyche of Filipinos and written in the destiny of this nation? We find it quite interesting. Edna Pamintuan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.204.114 (talk) 02:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The Curse of Lakan Dula is I think true. Like today, Former Senate President Jovito Salonga, a descendant of Lakan Dula from Pasig filed a plunder complaint against President Gloria Arroyo. The late Ceferino Dulay, the 4th generation leader of Dulay Clan of Marikina is a good friend of President Diosdado Macapagal. During the second term of Marcos, the Dulay Clan of Marikina became eventually supporters of Marcos. Sofronio, the 5th generation leader of the clan even joined the UP Vanguard. Yet, when Marcos started to be abusive, the whole Dulay Clan of Marikina started to fight Marcos. Sofronio, then a young professional, organized the "Kramer Junta" and joined EDSA 1. Maybe we can restate the "SUMPA NI LAKAN DULA" this way: if you are a leader trusted by Lakan Dula thru his descendants, serve the people well, dont steal and be honest, because if you violated the Lakan Dula trust, you will earn the curse of Lakan Dula thru the wrath of his descendants. This sounds logical and doable, and historical too. In fact, it is happening right now on President Gloria Arroyo who is claiming to be a descendant of Lakan Dula herself, a claim which the Wikipedia community had been questioning by asking some proofs or citations. 122.53.102.205 (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
