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[edit] Regarding edits made during August 22, 2007
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Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did in Political blog. It is considered spamming, and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. Thanks. --Orange Mike 14:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Political blog. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. --Orange Mike 14:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notability
Your edits to insert EU Referendum into an article which list notable blogs have been a repeated, blatant violation of the rules on conflict of interest. If the blog is question is notable, then why has nobody without a conflict of interest written an article about it? If you, are as you have at least once admitted, Richard North the blogger, then you are violating this rule and related ones such as those on autobiography. You can't just declare your blog notable without verification from impartial third parties. Are there articles from The Times, the Grauniad, etc., about prominent UK blogs, in which this one is mentioned as important? --Orange Mike 17:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Response
If you had told me I was in violation of the rules, I would have taken appropriate action. As it is, I simply assumed that someone was playing silly games. See this:
Financial Times (list at bottom)
European bloggers find their voice By Kate Mackenzie
Published: October 10 2006 06:08 | Last updated: October 10 2006 06:08
Readership of blogs in Europe is catching up with the US, but the most popular blogs are still dominated by Americans, according to new research which compares bloggers of different nationalities.
However blogs are becoming an increasingly important part of political life in both Europe and the US, with more than a quarter of readers of the websites spurred to political or civic action.
A study by Edelman, the public relations company, and Technorati, the blog search engine, found that the top 100 most influential bloggers worldwide – measured by the number of links they receive from other blogs – were almost all from the US, with only a satirical Italian blog (also published in English) breaking in at number 28. The most influential UK blog, Gaping Void, was ranked 139th.
The 100 most influential bloggers in German, French and Italian were also ranked, revealing a divergence of themes and networks among national groups.
While technology, business and politics dominate the overall rankings, personal diary-style blogs are far more popular in Europe, accounting for 43 per cent of the top blogs in Italy and 30 per cent in Europe. In France, blogs about food accounted for 19 of the top 100 blogs, although this category was insignificant in other countries.
“The key difference is that the blogs in certain regions are very personal in nature, as opposed to being very business focused,” said Steve Rubel, senior vice-president at Edelman’s me2revolution Group.
Top French bloggers link far more frequently to other French blogs than to news websites, while in the US and Italy the trend is reversed, Mr Rubel said.
Coverage of big companies was still limited, he said, especially outside sectors such as technology. British Airways, for example, was mentioned only 20 times in the past six months and French companies such as Peugot are barely visible, even among French bloggers.
However Mr Rubel, himself a prolific blogger, said organisations wanting to reach online authors and their readers should not focus too heavily on the top worldwide blogs. “Every community of blogs has its culture – it reflects the local culture. When we studied these blogs, we found that while they primarily link to things in their own country, they do sometimes link to The New York Times or to US blogs.”
Edelman and Technorati are also carrying out research into Korean and Chinese blogs.
In a separate survey, Edelman found that about 23 per cent of those in the UK read blogs, compared with 22 per cent in France and 27 per cent in the US. Of the four countries surveyed, Belgium lagged with only 14 per cent.
In each country more than a quarter of those readers were galvanised into political action by what they learned; the most popular forms of action were signing petitions and attending public meetings.
David Brain, president and chief executive of Edelman Europe, said avid readers of blogs were more likely to be politically active, as many top blogs are political. He said the research suggested political parties, NGOs and other organisations “should be looking to the blogosphere to get action”.
Blogs are attracting increasing interest from marketers who want to take advantage of their viral nature and grassroots appeal. However they can also be a public relations nightmare: Dell, for example, is widely believed to have suffered a greater fallout from its battery recall because of widespread criticism from high-profile bloggers.
“Most of our clients are now monitoring [blogs],” said Mr Brain. “They’re aware of it from a crisis management point of view, but few are aware of the benefits.”
Top 10 most influential blogs
Source: Edelman and Technorati
UK*
Gapingvoid
The Layer of the Crab of Ineffable Wisdom
EU Referendum
Tech Digest
plasticbag.org
Samizdata.net
c h r o m a s i a
Londonist
Iain Dale’s Diary
Mind Hacks
Loic Le Meur Blog
- UK blogs are ranked manually, unlike other lists
French
Pointblog.com
Techcrunch en Français
Journal d’un advocat
Plusjamaisseul.net
Blog à la ciboulette
Clea Cuisine
FredCavazza.net
Standblog
presse-citron
internetactu
German
BILDblog
Spreeblick
Zeitgrund Blog
Basic Thinking Blog
4nul4.de
Lawblog.de
Ehrensenf Internet TV
Dr. Web Magazin
Netzpolitk.org
Werbeblogger Weblog
Italian
Blog di Beppe Grillo
7 in Condotta
Italia SW Recensioni
Blogosfere
Roundhouse Kicks
Robinik.net
Macchianera
i SW4n
Daniele Luttazzi
Attivissimo.blog
- The first cite (unsourced, like the rest) is to a financial publication; your assertion is that the blog in question is a notable political blog. The rest of the (horribly ill-formatted) text simply makes claims, with not even a hint of a link or URL to back up these allegations. This does not meet Wikipedia standards for verifiability, aside from the question of conflict of interest in asserting one's own importance. --Orange Mike 17:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Forget it. If you don't know what the Financial Times is, you're in the wrong job. Suggest you look it up on Wikipedia. The link is subscription only ... no point in giving it to you, as you could not look it up.
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- Ignoring the tone of your response, I am fully familiar with the FT, and concede that it is a notable source for political information, albeit (like most such publications) not without its own biases. (I prefer Barron's myself, despite their reactionary editorials.) Your posting was so poorly formatted that I did not comprehend that the material attached is from the article initially referenced (which is publicly available at URL, incidentally). (Could you explain what "UK blogs are ranked manually, unlike other lists" means? I know it's their wording, not yours; but it puzzles me.) However, the article is about the "most influential bloggers worldwide – measured by the number of links they receive from other blogs" and makes no assertion about ranking among political blogs.
- Nonetheless, you've made your case, and together we've provided a verifiable cite. Now, somebody needs to write an article about EU R (how do you normally refer to it for short?) to which it might be linked, preferrably with cites to additional articles verifying its notability. Believe it or not, I'm merely being sceptical, not perverse; so many of the pajama brigade feel that they are influential beyond their rankings, and self-inflation is a perennial problem here; so we get cautious. --Orange Mike 18:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Response
Sorry for the techiness. We're a bit paranoid, believing everyone is out to get us ... which of course they are. We are one of the few blogs UK that aggressively take on the MSM, which means we are not flavour of the month.
If it is any help, we also won the Weblog Awards 2006 for the best UK blog.
I will ask one of my colleagues to write a piece about EUR.
And no, I don't know why the data was manually collated. It puzzled me as well.
- See my comment at the Political blog talk page. BobFromBrockley 10:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
