Talk:Punic language
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[edit] About the merger
If it was a separate language, then it should have its own separate page. But I agree that this article needs to be fleshed out; can anyone add anything more to it? Shanoman 15:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose merge. It deserves its own article if it was a separate language. Tim Q. Wells 00:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, but what evidence is there that it was a different language, and not just an alternative name for a different dialect of the same language? FilipeS 15:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
We are endeavouring to add as much content as possible based in so far as we can on evidence from Punic sources rather than generalising on 'Canaanite' sources which are better documented through history. Purely Roman sources have to be treated with a degree of blue pencil for the obvious propoganda/political motives of their era. Most languages have developed from a dialect of an earlier tongue and whilst there can be little doubt that Punic was born of the antecedent Phoenician, prolonged contact with Tyre would seem far less likely than several hundred years direct development in north Africa. It is not to be forgotten that the very word we currently use to describe this language (PUNIC) has its origins in roman derogatory and is not even a 'punic' term.
lammech ibarcu 17:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC) lammech ibarcu 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's much better if this article is simply deleted. Said: Rursus ☻ 13:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- I change my mind, see below for the reason – I instead agree that a merger is a good idea. Said: Rursus ☻ 14:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Today's updates
This page was kind of a mess. :( I cleaned it up, added some tags and links and generally made it at least look better. I don't really any information on the language itself to add, but at least it's nicer to see. :) Wilybadger 22:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It is tidier and more user friendly. Your contribution is appreciated 15:32, 13 September 2007 Barcaloner 15:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)lammech ibarcu
The link to the film starring Vin Diesel to be released in 2008 has been temporarily removed (it would be better under the general Punic article). It has yet to be verified as using actual Punic conversation. This page really should concentrate on the language and not necessarily on historical figures and their exploits. 19:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)lammech ibarcu
[edit] Signing the Article
Lammech Ibarcu, you shouldn't keep putting your name on the actual page. You can put it into here like this Wilybadger 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC) but you shouldn't sign the article itself. Wilybadger 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- I have removed these from the article because it is needless clutter. -- B.D.Mills (T, C) 01:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Serious problems with this article
It is my (non-expert) understanding that virtually nothing is actually known of the Punic language (other than its relationship to Phoenician). This article appears to have very serious issues, and may indeed be mostly nonsense.--Pharos (talk) 03:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- No expertize needed to see that much of this article is bogus, see below! Said: Rursus ☻ 13:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- I found the Punic sample in Poenulus Plauti as the article claims, and so I added an external link. I redraw my bogus claim and now claim that only the old Norse sample is obvious bogus. Said: Rursus ☻ 14:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] What's this??
Article says:
- A further documentation attributes this oath to Barcid family leaders:
- hialpi mer sva Melqart, ok Eschmoun, ok hin almattki an Tanit.
!!! Did the Carthagines speak old Norse? It sounds exactly (except the names) like a rune stone inscriptiom and should mean:
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- help me so Melqart, and Eschmoun, and the almighty an Tanit.
where only "almighty" = "almattki" must be explained by some sound laws, such as ht > tt (right ~ rätt), and +ki as a fast-speach contraction of +igi, a masculine ending of ending counterparting English +ish such as in "red" ~ "reddish". Said: Rursus ☻ 13:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
