Talk:Punch (magazine)
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[edit] "It had a history for being Anti-Irish, especially during the 19th century."
While this is doubtless true (judging from cartoons I've seen reproduced in textbooks over the years), it would be nice to include some citations. Also, the prominence of this phrase in the article's introductory description suggests that Punch is primarily noted for its anti-Irish humour (and while I would venture from personal experience that this may indeed be the case in Ireland, it's probably not applicable elsewhere), or that such humour even formed its raison d'etre rather than reflecting a general propensity towards racism, xenophobia and imperialism within the contemporary British media.
Any revision would be welcome, especially as, if nothing else, "It had a history for being Anti-Irish" is atrocious English. DublinDilettante 19:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I removed the line from the introduction since it isn't as relevant as its place in the introduction would suggest. We barely have any information about it in the history section (at all) to make it relevant enough to be in the introduction Boyinabox 20:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- I have gone ahead and removed this sentence, which really needs some kind of citation or qualification. It is not an accusation I've heard made about Punch (which, however, certainly reflected its readers views) and begs the question "notorious" - among whom? And anti-Irish or anti-Republican?Mark Nesbitt 06:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
It is anti Irish. If you can get your hands on the Folen's Irish Leaving Cert History book Option 3 "The Pursuit of Sovereignty and the Impact of Partition, 1912-49" by Vincent Foley or Option 2 of that series "Movements for Political and Social Reform, 1870-1914" by Michael Doran they both show cartoons from Punch showing anti-Irish sentiment. The number of examples are too numerous to mention so i'll leave it to you.padddy5 (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
As somebody that studied Irish history in School I'd have to agree. The Irish were charactarised as "Sub Human brutes" and were constantly portrayed as violent, unpredictable, dirty idiots that were deemed "unfit to rule themselves". The cartoons are all that I know of the publication as they were used in our history books to show the kind of attitudes that prevailed in Britain at large. However the magazine was also known for critisizing the scant justice Ireland recieved.
Pictures in this link: http://www.nde.state.ne.us/SS/irish/unit_2.html (specifically pictures 1, 2, 7 and 8) are from Punch and clearly show a kind of racial caracature in the same style of offensive African, Chinese and Jewish cartoons that you might be more familiar with. For more Punch cartoons of this nature see "Ireland in the making(1868-1966)" by M.E. Collins—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelzuya (talk 86.45.103.148 (talk) 20:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC) • contribs) 14:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
