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Last clean up by: Maio 23:16, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Reason: all suggested information added, all NPOV disputes resolved.

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[edit] Vandalism

Can someone please investigate the vandalism perpetrated here? Specifically the vandalism that occured approx. on July 25, 2007.

Also, have you seen that apparently they are trying to add the Puerto Rican Independence Party's website (independencia.net) to various Wiki pages so it gets "blacklisted"?

Thank you,

Drivehave 17:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible explanation: Persecution against the PIP and other peaceful pro-independence parties

I added a section that might explain the vandalism targeted against this article. While such things also allegedly occured in places such as the Republic of China, it is still noteworthy because of its huge, systematic breath, as well as the self-admitted character of this persecution (by the FBI). Since this persecution was so widespread, one could understand why so many people would be fearful of a vilified party or why they could direct malice against it.

It details the well-documented FBI's self-acknowledged surveilance and persecution of pro-independence organizations, including peaceful parties such as the Puerto Rico Independence Party.

Thank you for letting me know if any other documents or journalist articles arise detailing persecution against peaceful organizations such as the PIP. Bianca Neri (talk) 18:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

This article may be integrated into the sources, don't you think?
‘Destroyed’ FBI Puerto Rico Files Prompt Cover-up Charges26 Aug 2006
Submitted by: The NewStandard Publisher: www.newstandardnews.net
In the wake of an activist's death at the hands of FBI operatives, the agency's revelation that it may have destroyed records on the independence movement in Puerto Rico has aggravated tensions over the government's presence on the island.
"In a recent response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the Chicago-based legal advocacy group People's Law Office, the FBI admitted that it could not locate records relating to the activities of a prominent Puerto Rican nationalist. It also stated that its field office in San Juan, Puerto Rico may have destroyed the documents when purging its files years ago.
The subject of the requested records was José Paralitici, leader of the activist group Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques, which opposed US Navy weapons testing on the island of Vieques. The group helped stop the Naval bombardments of the island in 2003, and since then Paralitici has continued to organize around Puerto Rican nationalist issues.
In a June 29 letter reviewed by The NewStandard, the FBI's Records Management Division denied the request. The Bureau admitted that "records which may be responsive" to the group's query "were destroyed on February 2, 1989." Claiming that the action was part of the Bureau's routine record-disposal process, Section Chief David Hardy wrote, "Since this material could not be reviewed, it is not known if it actually pertains to your subject."
Jan Susler, the attorney who filed the request on Paralitici's behalf, said by phone from Puerto Rico that she was unsure whether the FBI did in fact expunge records, or if it was simply trying to block access to the information. But either way, she said, the denial was symptomatic of a "very sordid history" of intervention in the island's political struggles.
"What business do they have destroying records," Susler said, "unless it's to cover up their own misconduct or criminal conduct with respect to the independence movement?" She noted that any destruction of records in 1989 would have followed a string of federal crackdowns on Puerto Rican dissident activity during the first part of the decade."
-Soft carebare (talk) 01:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] September 2003 archives

[edit] NPOV dispute - Sep 14 2003 (resolved)

Some of this is obviously biased, e.g. "Puerto Ricans are still struggling to attain sovereignty and independence." Not all Puerto Ricans want independence. As far as you have additional facts, please work them into the existing article, don't just overwrite all of it. --Wik 23:20, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

Puerto Rico has been a colony of the United States since 1898, as a result of the Spanish-American War. As part of that War, the United States Armed Forces invaded Puerto Rico on July 25, 1898. Puerto Ricans are still struggling to attain sovereignty and independence.

This paragraph is surely POV, and cannot be included in any article. RickK 00:47, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The Puerto Rican Independence Party (PIP) was founded in 1946 with the purpose of seeking and obtaining independence by every pacific mean available. The PIP is committed to achieving Puerto Rico's national freedom and laying the foundation for a sound, responsible transition from our present day colonial government to full-flegged independence.

Sounds like a party press release. Leave out "for a sound, responsible" RickK 00:47, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

On the 70's the newly elected PIP president, Rubén Berríos Martínez, then 31, led a protest against the US Navy in Culebra. At that time, he was found guilty of tresspassing so called federal lands and was incarcerated for three months.

"So0called"? Again POV, and can't be in the article. RickK 00:47, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] More information - unknown date (added)

Later, on 1999, Rubén Berríos repeated his protest, along with PIP leaders who became became active on the struggle that many citizens of the town of Vieques, Puerto Rico had against the presence of the military there. The Navy had to leave on both cases, from Culebra in 1971 and Vieques in 2003.
The Party's flag is green with a white cross. The green color signifies hope of becoming free. The white cross signifies the sacrifice and commitment of the Party with democracy.
You may find more information on the Puerto Rico Independence Party by visiting their web site at


-- anonymous user

As Wik said. Also, please sign your talk page entries. Vicki Rosenzweig 23:59, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Important PIP Leaders (added)

  • Gilberto Concepción de Gracia (founder, passed away)
  • Ruben Berrios - President
  • Fernando Martin - Executive President, Senator
  • Victor San Inocencio - Representative
  • Maria De Lourdes Santiago - Vice President
  • Juan Dalmau Ramírez - Electoral Commisioner

-- unknown user

[edit] I cleaned up a little bit

I removed some caps and put everything in the correct order, i also deleted an unesaccary link and added two new sections: 2004 and Quotes - Konulu

[edit] Question

Does anyone know what PIP would do for the incredible amount of aid that they receive from the United States if Puerto Rico were to become independent. Do they have any expressed ideas? Would they instead apply for foreign aid? If they have made any public statements, IMHO, they should be included in the articleDie4Dixie 16:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Website

www.independencia.net/ingles/welcome.html is blacklisted as spam. I put in a request to whitelist it. --Charleenmerced Talk 06:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cross wiki promo try

Please be warned - this is a cross wiki partypromo/spam effort. The Dutch vandalism report can be found here. Als the links are meta-blacklisted. accounts and sockpuppets galore - usually the first one was a crosswiki account called Wiki_Languagecode-for-that-specific-Wikipedia_Wiki. MoiraMoira (talk) 11:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC), moderator Wikipedia-nl

In what sense is this spam? I've noticed that PIP articles pop up in the many different languages, but the content this not spam style but rather a normal wiki tone. --Soman (talk) 17:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
They ask random users to translate English article, if they didn't these articles probably would never been created, I guess they think that it makes them look more important ~~Xil...sist! 11:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but that isn't really spam is it? This is a established well-known political party in Puerto Rico. It doesn't seek any outside support or financial donations from other countries. What impact would the existance of an Uzbek iw have for their political work, really? --Soman (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what is their motivation, I was just making a guess - it is the only obvious thing they get - interwiki links, what else can one get out of article in a language they don't even understand ? The spamers maybe aren't even related with the party - I haven't done a reserch of spmam in Wikipedia and motivation of the spamers, however this kind of spam appears to be common. Spam is the messages left on user talk pages, the artilcles written because of these messages of course aren't spam. ~~Xil...sist! 17:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Here is a list of usernames that is probably from the same person, since all of them have been posting the same message on different userpages:
is:Notandi:Aishling Oigthierna
hi:सदस्य:Sanjushree
th:ผู้ใช้:Serin
sh:User:Maria Sapranov
scn:Utenti:Ciuri ciuri ciuri di tuttu l'annu
nn:Brukar:Olgita Briggia
he:משתמש:מאַטעמאַטיקער
bs:Korisnik:Sinolicka Amela
cy:Defnyddiwr:Reytah (Feminine Passion4 History)
cs:Utente:FemmenineRugbyGirl
is:Notandi:Sonia (Daughter og Føroyskt ascendants)
My suggestion is, if you get asked to translate, don't. --Steinninn 11:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Surely having a profile on different language wiki's doesn't class as sockpuppetry + the party ssems to actually exist (books written about it on Amazon, enrty in the Britannica Encyclopedia). What's the problem? Also why is the website blacklisted?--Rhyswynne (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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