Talk:Popocatépetl

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[edit] Puebla

I'm tempted to put "The residents of Puebla, an even merer 40 km east of the volcano", but I probably won't. (Not that bold.)--Lavintzin 23:36, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Don Goyo?

Joecashfire inserted the name "Don Goyo" along with "El Popo" as a common name for Popocatépetl. A quick Google confirms that some (reportedly Nahuatl speakers) of those who live near the volcano call it "Don Goyo" (= Gregorio). But I question (1) whether that is an important enough fact to include right at the beginning of the article, and (very relatedly) (2) whether it is accurate to say that the volcano is "commonly referred to" by that name. I have lived in Mexico for going on 36 years, and much of that time have lived within sight of the volcano, and I speak Nahuatl and have spoken with people who live on the slopes of the volcano, and I had never heard the name before.

I'd suggest moving the reference to a later part of the article, and reporting it somewhat differently.

--Lavintzin 02:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I, live in Puebla, Mexico and I personally know that Don Goyo is far more popular than "El Popo", I say Keep. Joecashfire 05:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Legend of Popocatépetl and Iztaccíhuatl, cross reference

I just wanted to drop in to point out that the legends mentioned here are similar in form to the oral creation stories attributed to Mount Hood, Mount Adams, and Mt. St. Helens (the first article linked is the only one which contains the citation). I'll mention it here but not add it to the live article since I grew up seeing all three of those mountains from my bedroom window, but have only that close to Popocatepetl once in my life and never laid eyes on it (overcast weather that day). It's interesting, at any rate.

Persist1 08:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting stuff which you can find elsewhere

Madman2001 (Talk) (removed back image link, also removed map since it is visible at Trans-Mexican volcanic belt)

I don't know what a "back image link" is. Was this a "bad image link"?
In any case, I question the rationale for removing the map (not that it was a great map in my opinion). Should nothing ever be repeated in different articles? The picture of Popo and Ixta and the Paso de Cortés appears elsewhere too. (*I am not recommending that it be removed!*) If the point is to make Wikipedia as compact and space-efficient as possible, it makes sense, but if the point is to put information that is likely to be interesting and useful in front of the readers, I think the map (or a better one) should stay in. If I were coming to the article with little or no knowledge of Popo I would rather not have to guess which of the linked articles I would have to click on to see a map showing me where the mountain is located.
Does that make sense?
--Lavintzin 15:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Lavintzin, yes, I should have said "removed bad image link". My mistake.

As far as the map goes, it doesn't make a lot of difference to me. I thought that the article was a little crowded, and that seemed the least interesting of the images and was available elsewhere.

By all means, re-insert it. Madman 16:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tepetl

Teptl in Nahuatl actually means hill not mountain.

Taken from: http://www.mrs.umn.edu/academic/history/Nahuatl/engl-nah.txt—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.133.100 (talk • contribs)

Sure, Popocatépetl is a 5-km high hill. Uh-huh!
Seriously, to expect a one-to-one correspondence between words in one language and words in another is quite unwarranted. Showing that a word can mean 'hill' doesn't warrant the conclusion that it does not mean 'mountain'. Hills and mountains differ only in degree, not in kind: when is something a hill rather than a mountain even in English? You might expect another language to have a word that could mean both. Nahuatl in fact has such a word: tepetl. (In some variants there are words like tētelli or tepetzintli that more specifically mean 'hill'. In those variants tepetl is likely to more unequivocally mean 'mountain'. Even there tepetl is likely to be the general word with the others used only when you want to be precise.)
--Lavintzin 01:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sleeping/White

Somebody (189.135.53.57, whoever that is) keeps reverting "White Woman" to "Sleeping Woman" in this and the Ixtaccíhuatl article. The context is the (supposed) "Aztec" legend. Ixtaccíhuatl does not mean "Sleeping Woman" but does mean "White Woman". If the mountain is now locally called the "Sleeping Woman" in Spanish that's cool and might be noted elsewhere, but it is irrelevant to the legend. I'd go bail it is not called "Sleeping Woman" in local Nahuatl, unless by backtranslation from Spanish. (Kochtoksiwatl? Kochtikasowatl? Never heard of such a thing.)

Please leave it be, 189.135.whoever (and you might register, while you're at it.)

--Lavintzin 23:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion: section on the monasteries

The article makes a mere mention of the monasteries on the slope of Popocatépetl. Being an integral part of the mountainous landscape and history of human presence in the land (not to mention being proclaimed a World Heritage Site), it will certainly be an improvement to devote a section to this religious ensemble. Thanks. Joey80 14:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monasteries on the slopes of Popocatepetl

Could anybody please help me with the links? I'm making an article on the World Heritage Site and I really need help Thanks. All I need is to get the links fixed.