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Contents 1 Welcome! 2 Category:The Clash singles 3 Socialismo e Barbarie 4 Clash singles chronology 5 Redirect 6 Too many line breaks 7 WikiProject Alternative music September 2007 Newsletter 8 Clash song articles 9 The Clash 10 The Working Man's Barnstar! 11 PopUps 12 Clash question 13 WikiProject Alternative music December 2007 Newsletter 14 Re: French spacing 15 Clash 16 Re: The Clash article 17 Johnny Green 18 WikiProject Alternative music January 2008 Newsletter 19 WP:FILMS Welcome 20 Hey 21 Favorite Subjects 22 London Calling 01

[edit] Welcome!

Hello, Pjoef, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Category:The Clash singles

Hello, Pjoef. A while ago a decision was made to not categorize single releases separately from non-single songs. As such, I've suggested that the two The Clash categories be merged, here. That discussion has a link to one previous discussion, which in turn has links to a few others. If you have any comments about this move, or would like to discuss it, please do not hesitate to join the active conversation. Regards ×Meegs 01:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Socialismo e Barbarie

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[edit] Clash singles chronology

Hi Pjoef and welcome to Wikipedia. It's an official policy here on Wikipedia that all claims should be attributable to a reliable, published source. It is helpful to other editors if you cite sources for your claims so that we can verify them.

I notice that your edits to the Clash singles chronology in various articles appear to conflict with this source. Can you please let me know what source you're using so that we can verify your claims? Thanks, Sideshow Bob Roberts 16:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Sideshow Bob Roberts

I'm working on The Clash discography and I'm editing songs and albums articles to fit the Wikipedia standards. About the Clash singles chronology the main source are labels, sleeves, booklets and covers of 7" and 12" singles, albums and CD. Today I found this source [1]. Now I'm comparing and working on that data.... (Pjoef 17:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC))

connollyco	rateyourmusic	wikipedia
1977 March White Riot	1977 White Riot / 1977 CBS 5058	White Riot
1977 May Remote Control	1977 Remote Control / London's Burning [live] S CBS 5293	Remote Control
1977 September Complete Control	1977 Complete Control / City of the Dead S CBS 5664	Complete Control
1978 February Clash City Rockers	1978 Clash City Rockers / Jail Guitar Doors CBS 5834	Clash City Rockers
1978 June White Man In Hammersmith Palais	1978 (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais / The Prisoner	(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais
---	1978 I Fought the Law / (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais 50738	---
1978 November Tommy Gun	1978 Tommy Gun / 1-2 Crush On You S CBS 6788	Tommy Gun
1979 February English Civil War	1979 English Civil War / Pressure Drop 7082 1 26	English Civil War
1979 July I Fought the Law	---	I Fought the Law
---	1979 Groovy Times / Gates of the West (NOT FOR SALE Epic AE7 1178)	Groovy Times
1979 December London Calling	1979 London Calling / Armagideon Time 7 issues	London Calling
---	1980 Clampdown / The Guns of Brixton (Australia 7" Vinyl Epic ES 486)	Clampdown
---	1980 Hitsville UK (UK CBS 9480)	Hitsville UK
1980 February Train In Vain (Stand By Me)	1980 Train in Vain (Stand by Me) / London Calling	Train in Vain
1980 August Bankrobber	1980 Bankrobber / Rockers Galore 8323	Bankrobber
1980 November The Call-Up	1980 The Call Up / Stop the World	The Call-Up
1981 January Hitsville UK	Hitsville UK 7" Vinyl Epic 51013 (USA ed.)	---
1981 April The Magnificent Seven	1981 The Magnificent Seven / The Magnificent Dance	The Magnificent Seven
1981 November This Is Radio Clash	1981 This Is Radio Clash / Radio Clash 1797	This Is Radio Clash
1982 April Know Your Rights	1982 Know Your Rights / First Night Back in London A2309	Know Your Rights
---	1982 Should I Stay or Should I Go? / Inoculated City (USA [45 rpm] 7" Vinyl Epic 14-03006)	Should I Stay or Should I Go?
1982 Rock the Casbah / Mustapha Dance	1982 June Rock The Casbah	Rock The Casbah
1982 July Should I Stay Or Should I Go?	---	---
---	1982 Straight to Hell	Straight to Hell
1985 September This Is England	1985 This Is England	This Is England
---	1988 I Fought the Law / City of the Dead - 1977 651172-7	I Fought the Law (1988 re-release) ???
1990 July Return To Brixton (Remix)	1990 Return to Brixton / The Guns of Brixton 656072-2	---
---	1991 London Calling / Brand New Cadillac	---
---	1991 Should I Stay Or Should I Go/Rush	---
---	1999 Complete Control [live]	---

[edit] Redirect

Hi. I just want to tell you that you shouldn't create redirects of songs to the album page except for in rare instances. They give the misleading impression that the song has a page and it's even worse when they are linked from the album page (Thus, Garageland (song) redirects back to The Clash (album) when it's linked from that page. I will try to delete them when I have time. gren グレン 04:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gren,

I'm so sorry, but right now I have little time to work on WikipediA, but I hope to work on these pages more in the next months. The redirections were intended as a temporary solution. Otherwise:

“Linking to the specific album on which the song appears is preferable and linking to the artist should be done only when the album does not have a page on Wikipedia.

There is consensus that the majority of songs do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Songs should only have an individual article if there is enough material to warrant a detailed article.

To add a redirect to this category, put {{R from song}} after the redirect but on the same line (The redirect works only if in the first line, and any lines following the redirect line are ignored).” — from Redirects from songs (that's the opposite of what you wrote!)

I think that we must add the redirect but to the relative album and a redirect to the category {{R from song}} on every page without enough material to be a good article. Today, I worked on this, but the result is little good. Also, I made some changes in your Watchlist about The Clash (User:Grenavitar/Watchlist:The Clash). Songs, EPs, Compilations and Albums are retrivied, in alphabetical order, from their categories, Category:The Clash songs and Category:The Clash albums.

Cheers, and have a nice weekend!

(Pjoef 18:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Too many line breaks

Hi there. I notice you keep inserting multiple line breaks when you edit articles, for example here. Note that inserting that many line breaks causes the articles themselves to get extra line breaks, which is inappropriate. I've reverted such changes of yours on multiple occasions, for example here. Please take care not to insert that many line breaks. Thanks in advance. --PEJL 12:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi PEJL,

Thank you for the information. I retrivied more from Manual of Style:

“Spaces above and below headings are completely optional. Spaces between the == and the heading text are also optional (==Heading== vs == Heading ==). With the current MediaWiki software, these extra spaces will not affect the appearance of the heading in any way; the rendered page is identical. Multiple blank lines will add white space, ...” — see more

Inserting one or more line breaks after a heading doesn't causes the articles to get extra line breaks. It only facilitates the editing, and the source code becomes easier to read. Otherwise, a selective inserting of more than one line break before a Heading produces, in some cases, a more legible articles. — Thank you again, (Pjoef 14:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

Inserting one or two line breaks in succession generally doesn't cause the article to get extra line breaks. Whether doing so makes the code easier to read is debatable, and not something I'd like to debate here. But inserting more than two line breaks in succession generally causes the article to get extra line breaks, which is what is inappropriate. If articles needed more line breaks to be legible, they would have that extra margin by default. Editors should not add additional margins into articles. I see on your user page that you consider yourself an HTML/CSS professional. As such, I'm sure you'll agree that <p><br/></p> (which is what additional line breaks generate) is inappropriate HTML markup. --PEJL 14:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

OK PEJL! In any case, I haven't inserted more than two line breaks, and if I did it was on my error and I am sorry.

Thank you again, and peace to you! — (Pjoef 15:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

No problem. --PEJL 15:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music September 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 6 - September 2007

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[edit] Clash song articles

Hi, and thank you for your contributions. However Wikipedia:Notability (music) has "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album. Wikipedia:Verifiability states: "If an article topic has no reputable, reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on that topic.”" and I think these would be better as redirects to London Calling. --John 03:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've now done that, and I am truly sorry to have had to undo so much of your well-intentioned hard work. I think there may be other ways you can help improve our coverage of The Clash which will be more beneficial to our users than creating articles on every single song they released. --John 05:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, John

I don't think so! I want to explain to you from my point of view:

• A song without its own article could be not categorized;

• if an user wants to know more about a song, find those informations on the relative album/artist article is not a good choice;

• if someone wants to add some information about a song, its own article is the right place to do that;

• the extra track listing template (you have deleted) is (IMO) the best way to navigate across the tracks of an album;

• there are a lot of stubs on Wikipedia and the majority of songs do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines!

In my opinion, an article for all of the songs recorded by The Clash is the best (and right) choice! — Cheers, (Pjoef 12:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC))

I appreciate your opinion but I'm afraid the notability guidelines take higher priority as they constitute a consensus formed over a long period by many users. It may be true that many song articles do not meet our notability standards, but that is not a case for keeping poor articles but perhaps for changing the other unsatisfactory ones to redirects or deleting them. Let me know if there are specific ones you have in mind. --John 18:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Clash

Hey, thanks for your message. I have removed the intro length template. It would have helped if I had left a message on the article talk page addressing my concerns, as was my intention, but I got distracted, and failed to do so. I appreciate your edits (all of them, as you have done great work recently on the article), and the fact that you discussed the matter with me rather than simply removing the template yourself. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 23:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Working Man's Barnstar!

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Awarded to Pjoef for tireless effort sorting out the references in The Clash article

Wwwhatsup 03:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PopUps

BTW Pjoef, do you use Popups? I find it saves a lot of time. I love the ability to check links by highlighting them while editing. Wwwhatsup (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Any joy with that? Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clash question

I was curious if you knew the origin of “THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS!” Was it the Clash, a record company, or someone in the press who created that phrase? Kingturtle (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Please, see: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Clash#The Only Band That Matters —PJoe F. (talk • contribs) 18:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music December 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 9 - December 2007

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[edit] Re: French spacing

I have never set out to edit an article merely to remove the double spacing, but have only done so if I was in the midst of making other edits. I do not even really do it consciously, it has just always been a change I've made as a matter of course. I do not see the necessity for it, but if you would prefer, I'll not do so on The Clash article. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clash

Hi. I noticed this. What do you suppose "yabbos" are? Would a third-party lyrics site qualify as a reliable source, do you think? --John (talk) 16:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The Clash article

Thanks! Sorry for the cite error, I suppose I should have payed more attention. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 19:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Johnny Green

As a published author he should merit an article even if it's brief? Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music January 2008 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 10 - January 2008

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[edit] WP:FILMS Welcome

[edit] Hey

Do you like the Beatles? Tell me your opinion on my talk page. Thanks!It's the Kodster! (talk) 20:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Favorite Subjects

Hey, I checked out your Favorite Subjects. Pretty cool.

We don't have much in common really. 'Cept that I like Hendrix. Other than that, :|

Just wanted to tell you. I'm a real hardcore Beatlemaniac! Strawberry Fields 4RVR!

See ya. Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kodster! (talk) 01:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] London Calling 01

The main concern was that the books weren't cited in the article yet, hence the section retitling. I've noticed some editors like to list books even if they aren't used in the article, and it confuses things. As the article is up for a GA nomination, I thought it was best to make a distinction. By all means list the books if they are cited directly in the article, but it's best not to do it before, because they haven't been used yet. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)