Talk:Piano Concerto No. 5 (Beethoven)

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[edit] Contradiction

First it says this concerto was written in 1809 and first performed in 1810. Then it says "This three movement work was completed in 1811". Which is it, 1809 or 1811?

[edit] Possible plagiarism

It seems that this entire article also appears, pretty much word-for-word, on this website -- there's no date given on that page so I can't be sure who stole from whom. However, I think it is nonetheless cause for concern. --Todeswalzer|Talk 21:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I imagine the situation is vice versa, i.e. the allexperts.com article is a(n older) version of this article. Maybe some acknowledgement in its small print somewhere...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 03:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible source/predecessor of the 4th movement in Beethoven's 9th

I'm no expert by any means, but I was just listening to Op. 73 (Concerto No. 5 "Emperor", Brendel - Haitnik, London Philharmonic) and I noticed that the theme/melody in the Adagio ma non troppo - Marcia assai vivace, repeated in the Allegro ma non troppo (Quasi andante con motto) - Presto is very similar to that of the 4th movement in the 9th Symphony.

Op. 73 was completed on or before 1810, preceding the 9th (1824).

Perhaps someone with a more scholarly bent can confirm this. It would appear that Beethoven did a variation of the 5th Piano Concerto's theme in the 9th.

Ghostlightning (talk) 07:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)ghostlightning