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Last paragraph could use some rephrasing (and substantiation perhaps; seems a little POVish but it's hard to tell for sure) ;Bear 23:30, 2004 Apr 27 (UTC)

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[edit] Sentance makes no sence

"Traditionally, people would get blindfolded and spun in circles to make it harder to have good balance. Or 'pin-yah-ta' in English."

The last sentance in that passage seems misplace, so I removed it. If you feel the need to explain the pronounciation, feel free to put it someplace more appropriate. 193.44.6.146 (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

On a second look, the sentance about spinning has no place in the etymology section either. 193.44.6.146 (talk) 17:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blas Bunny

Who is "Blas Bunny"? --Menchi 18:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

"Conejo Blas" is a Mexican folk character. Popular because of a song by Francisco Gabilondo Soler, who was a very much loved writer of songs for children. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 18:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extent of use

This article could do with saying more about which countries pinatas are used in, and how widely used they are within those countries. I assume their use is not restricted to Mexican and Italian communities. AdorableRuffian 20:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. "Beating the barrel" is very old in Europe, however not so much in English-speaking Europe, hence it's low profile around here. This article meanwhile owes everything to the cultural voguishness of the piñata in the U.S. Hakluyt bean 21:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
This may be coincidental cultural similarity, but it bears investigation. How old is the beating the barrel tradition? From what I gather, it was a Scandanavian tradition centered in Denmark. The Latin country of Spain had no such tradition. It seems unlikely that a Danish tradition would somehow influence the Mexican pinata, and far more likely that it came from the indigenous clay water pot. The pinata today is usually made from papier-mache, but not so long ago it was also made from clay pots, more like the Tlaloc pots than a barrel.Tmangray 00:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
The article on Danish carnival here on Wikipedia implies that the beating-the-barrel tradition is actually not so old, but is related to a Catholic carnival celebration. The Spanish were in the Low Countries and certainly had much influence on Catholic practices in the region in the era following their conquests in the Americas. If the beating-the-barrel tradition cannot be reliably traced further back than this period, it raises the possibility that the pinata may have been the inspiration for beating-the-barrel, by way of the Spanish. Tmangray 01:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

A little online research brought to light some interesting speculations, all of which are unreferenced and seemed to be repeating each others' stories, with some instances of glaring misinformation (eg "the Maya god Huitzilopochtli", or "pignatta means pineapple" (if this were so--it isn't of course---this would clinch the post-Columbian origin since pineapples are indigenous to Mexico). I found that the pinata was in fact used in Catholic Lenten festivals, but not before the European discovery of America. The African and Chinese stories seem particularly far-fetched, but maybe someone can come up with something substantial. The fact that the pinata does not occur in former Spanish colonies other than Mexico is particularly suggestive that it is indigenous to Mexico.Tmangray 18:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Very good final point there, I agree with you. I asked on the Fastelavn page to see what they had to say. Beating spirits out of a barrel is maybe distinct from putting sweets in there for children. I would generally associate sweets (candy, fruit) with the New World. Hakluyt bean 23:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

there is a error on the ryme instead of "quitenle la prenda" should be "quitenle la venda"


[edit] The Rhyme

There is no official rhyme I'm phitm it varies from place to place. The chant I know of goes like this:


Dale, dale, dale, No pierdas el tino, porque si lo pierdes pierdes el camino ya le diste uno, ya le diste dos, ya le diste tres y tu tiempo se acabo!


Which would be

Go, go, go Don't loose your aim, because if you loose it you will loose the path, you just hit it once, now u've hit it twice, now you've hit it thrice and yer time is up! Mike(Talk)/(Cont) 00:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] problems

ok this a part of WikiProject Mexicoand i have a problem with that. Mexico is not the only place with Piñatas.

There also should be an other section about Cuban Piñatas in particular cause they are different. You can read about them here: http://www.awe-yes.com/pinapinatas/pinata_history.htm Wikid00d88 (talk) 21:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Cuban pinatas are derivative from Mexico, and a much later development. Cuba and Mexico have always had very close maritime ties. Tmangray (talk) 16:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Picture

hahaha in a german amusement park xD

[edit] What's up

What's up with the "pin-yah-ta" comment in the "etymology" section? 82.169.112.106 (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Insulting Picture

The current "themed park" picture from Germany should be removed and replaced with an picture from a celebration with authentic ties to the tradition. Would it be acceptable to place a picture under the "Japan" Wikipedia section depicting Florida Epcot's Japanland? It would be an insult. Same goes here. Kim —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.151.116 (talk) 04:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)