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[edit] Let's settle the Neutrality Dispute

This talk page has grown quite long and it is hard to sort through and figure out what arguments have been settled and which remain. Currently there is a neutrality dispute tag on the article. Anyone claiming that this article is not neutral please add a short line about the specific section or fact that you are disputing the neutrality of. Please no lengthy arguments at this point just a bulleted list of items that you think are non-neutral. Also Please don't be vague by putting things like the "tone is too pro-Isreali" or "the sources are not balanced"... specific examples please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iampayam (talk • contribs) 07:35, 1 December 2006.

I agree, we need examples on why this article is still POV. If none are provided, I'll be removing the tag eventually. Khoikhoi 21:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction-Rabbis

In one place it says there have been no rabbis in Iran since 1994, in another it mentions a rabbi being killed in 1999, and in another cites a rabbi speaking in 2000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.135.87 (talk) 22:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

On the one hand, "Jews in Iran are not allowed to communicate with Jewish groups outside of Iran unless the group is opposed to the existence of Israel" (no citation).

On the other hand, "the Iranian government has allowed the Jewish Iranians to visit their family members in Israel" and "Limited cultural contacts are also allowed".

Could this be clarified, please? Perhaps it's as simple as adding "with certain exceptions" to the first assertion. —Ashley Y 10:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't see a contradiction - there is a difference between a "contact with Jewish GROUPS" and a "contact with FAMILY MEMBERS".

Bruno --82.32.35.3 21:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jews in Iranian media

There is written:"The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[30] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[citation needed] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[30]" I think there should be differences between propaganda against Israel and Zionism in Iran media and representation of Jews. Although the first one make bad sense against Jews in some people but can we call it antisemitism? Iranian media try not to mention Jews or Jewish state and use Zionists and Zionist state.--Sa.vakilian 08:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish Muslims

There is written:"some voluntarily, some by force, some due to social pressure, and some in hopes of improving prospects for themselves and their families.[citation needed] Such Jews, or Jewish Muslims, have existed in the region for centuries. Many marry only those like themselves, many have assimilated, many are secular, and many are practicing Muslims who keep (sometimes unknowingly) certain Jewish traditions. Few have fully returned to their Jewish roots, and such 'hidden' Jews in the Iranian diaspora have largely assimilated."

It's too general and not appropriate for encyclopedia. Jews convert to Islam some by x and some by y which includes almost all probability. It should be substitute with more specific phrase. --Sa.vakilian 08:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed this part after 10 days. Please help me with writing more specific statement. ; some voluntarily, some by force, some due to social pressure, and some in hopes of improving prospects for themselves and their families.[citation needed] Such Jews, or Jewish Muslims, have existed in the region for centuries. Many marry only those like themselves, many have assimilated, many are secular, and many are practicing Muslims who keep (sometimes unknowingly) certain Jewish traditions. Few have fully returned to their Jewish roots, and such 'hidden' Jews in the Iranian diaspora have largely assimilated.[citation needed]

--Sa.vakilian 04:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed

[edit] Sacha Baron Cohen

I added a [citation needed] tag to Sacha Baron Cohen being Iranian descent. It was removed by user:Rayis, falsely claiming it is covered in the article. Based on most sources, Cohen mother is born in israel of german heritage [1]. The only websites mentioning Iranian descent are the one citing Wikipedia. See: Talk:Sacha Baron Cohen I'll tag it as dubious and Rayis, stop removing it.--Gerash77 04:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm my "claim" was because last time I checked his article, it said he was a Persian Jew and had various references to support it. But it looks like it was removed since then. I will look in to it later --Rayis 13:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Well if you can find the reliable sources, bring them in. As for my research, I am only seeing unreliable sites saying he is of Persian descent, sites I would not trust as fulfilling WP:RS. --Valley2city₪‽ 06:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article on Iranian Jews

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/aam030507.html

I thought it pretty interesting. 64.231.72.74 12:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.72.74 (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] famous iran jews

1.zokaolmolk foroghi[nayebolsaltaneh] was originally jewish 2.mirza kalantarkhan shirazi in ghajar period was also jewish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spitman (talk • contribs) 22:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Source for section "Discrimination"

The current passage reads:

"Though alcohol is illegal in Iran, a special legal provision allows Jews to make and use wine for Sabbath celebrations, according to an unconfirmed source."

On pg. 212 of the book Persian Mirrors, by Elaine Sciolino, a passage mentions the legal production and consumption of alcohol by non-Muslims:

"...The Armenians, like other non-Muslims, are exempt from the ban on drinking alcohol and are allowed to make vodka and wine for their own personal consumption."

Although this doesn't specifically mention Jews or any specific law regarding alcohol consumption, it may be considered a source for the statement in the passage. If any other wikipedians approve, and have more expertise in inserting references than I do, feel free to put it in.

Citation in Harvard referencing:

(Sciolino 2005, p. 212)

Sciolino, Elaine. (2005). Persian Mirrors. New York: Free Press

Mluo2010 02:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] False info

This article has a a couple of false details. There are 20 synagogues and numerous rabbis in iran. Could somebody add the following info in for me. The source is this:

http://www.forusa.org/programs/iran/dec05-4.htm

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Jews of Iran film.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discrimination Contradiction

On one hand: "Like other religious minorities in Iran Jews suffer from discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads"

but then a few paragraphs later

"However, in a rather unprecedented move, the sole Jewish member in the Iranian parliament, Maurice Motamed, strongly condemned exhibition of cartoons about the Holocaust that recently took place in Tehran, and he has also written a letter to Iran’s president questioning his denial of the Holocaust, calling it "a very big insult to Jews all around the world."

how can both be true?

Qualiall 64.8.68.116 (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] dob

Jews are always welcome in Iran as ever.(talk) 14:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Total Jewish Iranian Population is not 600,000 and above

Furthermore, there are little if no Ashkenazi Jewish Iranians. Virtually all Iranian Jews are Mizrahi or Sephardic. I removed that section According to SIAMAK, a Jewish Iranian organization is Los Angeles, there are at least 40,000 Iranian Jews in Los Angeles and 25,000 Iranian Jews in Long Island, New York. Bk963 (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)Bk963

[edit] Plagiarism

The section "Current Status in Iran," beginning with the phrase: "Iran's official government-controlled media often issues anti-Semitic propaganda" and going until the beginning of the next subsection, is a direct copy from this site: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html. ThunderkatzHo! 01:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I have removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.162.141 (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)