Talk:Penn State Nittany Lions football

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[edit] Needs bulk!

Folks, this is shameful. We need to bulk this page up. For some possibilities, look at the OSU or USC pages. C'mon, Lions! Where's your spirit?? Roar Lions Roar! (And I'll get to work too.) Kermitmorningstar 07:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pittsburgh rivalry

Is it still fair to classify Pittsburgh as a rival in football? -- PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 21:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, probably not.. but it also doesn't look so good when the two rivals that we have listed don't list us as a rival... -- Billma 03:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I guess that raises the question (probably not most appropriately here, but I'm here for now) as to how we should be defining a 'rival' or 'rivalry.' We have Michigan and Ohio State listed but not Michigan State or Minnesota, teams who we've established "rivalry games" with during our short tenure in the Big Ten. (Also, to note your point about 'reciprocal' mentions as rivals - neither OSU nor Michigan list us as rivals.) Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly certain that most Penn State fans, myself included, are looking forward to the UMich and OSU games more than the battle for the Land Grant Trophy, and I guess there could be an argument made for primarily geographic rivalries, but this might be worth investigating further. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 03:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it can be argued that Penn State has no football rivalries at the present time. Like you said, all of the teams PSU would list as rivals, like OSU and Michigan, don't see things that way. And every team that would list Penn State as a rival are overlooked by the Nittany Lions. But when you look at the college football world, there are a lot of teams in this position or perhaps with only one real rivalry. Monkey Bounce (talk) 03:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Any discussion of Penn State Football is incomplete without discussing our rivalries with other Eastern schools. We have a long history with Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College, etc. We should also talk about the controversy over our move to the Big Ten Conference. I, for one, believe that national resentment over this move was a factor in the polls for the 1994 season. All of these topics should be fleshed out in the article. WesleyMouch (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC) WesleyMouch 21:45 19 April 2008

If we're talking historical rivalries, then those teams belong, but none of them are current. And I have never heard about the "national resentment" over joining the Big Ten Conference. If you have legit sources on this, though, I'd be interested in seeing them.Monkey Bounce (talk) 22:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking for online sources regarding resentment over Penn State's move to the Big Ten, but a lot of them require a fee to view the entire article. I was a student at Penn State at the time the move to the Big Ten was announced, and I remember the move generating both positive and negative press. The gist of the negative press was that Joe Paterno spent years promoting the strength of "Eastern Football" and now he is turning his back to Eastern Football. WesleyMouch (talk) WesleyMouch 10:01 27 April 2008

[edit] Rankings in season records

Does anyone know where the final AP and Coaches rankings came from in the season-by-season list? Some of the final rankings aren't matching other sources that I'm digging up. (ie. [1] [2] [3]) - Billma 22:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I've been using the AFCA site for Coaches' Polls up to 2005. The three sources you have are authoritative enough, also possibly CFBDW. As long as they're all the same, if the table differs, go ahead and replace them (the table's unsourced as it is right now anyway). Also, a note about the yearly record table, I'm in the process of converting that to template format over here using {{CFB Yearly Record Start}} and associated templates - feel free to stop by and help if you'd like. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 22:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Finished it for you... The template seems a bit weird on the last column, but it looks good. I updated the poll rankings in your sandbox copy instead of the main article since it's going to replace the table in the main article anyway. I wasn't sure how to handle the Hollenbacks, so I stuck Jack before Bill, even if it does make 1909 and 1910 be out of order. Also, I dropped the ties column from the records starting in 1996 since that's when overtime was instituted. - Billma 01:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll go through and add the sub-headers/sub-totals later as well as fixing up the poll rankings (there's a bug with the template that I haven't gotten around to fixing yet). Hopefully I'll have the whole thing replaced on the article by sometime tonight. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 01:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

If it's appropriate, I'd like to somehow link to the season articles as well if we can. I've been creating the various "Penn State Nittany Lions football under <coach>" pages, I've gotten all of them except for JoePa so far (haven't figured out how to handle his long tenure yet, a single article would be way too long). Articles that have been created so far:

- Billma 02:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Undefeated seasons

There's no need to have the season record for the undefeated seasons here. I've linked to the season articles that have been created. Here are the tables for the seasons that don't have articles yet.

1994 Penn State Nittany Lions
Date Opponent PF PA Location Date Opponent PF PA Location
Sept. 3 Minnesota 56 3 Minneapolis, MN Oct. 29 #21 Ohio St. 63 14 State College, PA
Sept. 10 #14 Southern Cal 38 14 State College, PA Nov. 5 Indiana 35 29 Bloomington, IN
Sept. 17 Iowa 61 21 State College, PA Nov. 12 Illinois 35 31 Champaign, IL
Sept. 24 Rutgers 55 27 State College, PA Nov. 19 Northwestern 45 17 State College, PA
Oct. 1 Temple 48 21 Philadelphia, PA Nov. 26 Michigan St. 59 31 State College, PA
Oct. 15 #5 Michigan 31 24 Ann Arbor, MI Jan. 2 #12 Oregon 38 20 Pasadena, CA
Total 564 252 #2 AP, Coaches
  • 1994 Nittany Lions
1973 Penn State Nittany Lions
Date Opponent PF PA Location Date Opponent PF PA Location
Sept. 15 Stanford 20 6 Stanford, CA Oct. 27 West Virginia 62 14 State College, PA
Sept. 22 Navy 39 0 Annapolis, MD Nov. 3 Maryland 42 22 College Park, MD
Sept. 29 Iowa 27 8 State College, PA Nov. 10 North Carolina St. 35 29 State College, PA
Oct. 6 Air Force 19 9 Colorado Springs, CO Nov. 17 Ohio 49 10 State College, PA
Oct. 13 Army 54 3 State College, PA Nov. 24 #20 Pittsburgh 35 13 State College, PA
Oct. 20 Syracuse 49 6 Syracuse, NY Jan. 2 #13 Louisiana State 16 9 Miami, FL
Total 447 129 #5 AP, Coaches
  • 1973 Nittany Lions

—PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 06:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you think they need seperate articles, or should they just be condensed down to a "Penn State football under Joe Paterno" article? When I got around to creating that one (after figuring out if it should be one article, and if not how to split it out), I was going to combine the 1968 and 1969 into it, and only leave 1982 and 1986 as seperate articles. -- Billma 12:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Alamo Bowl

Some Add that psu beat Teaxas A&M in the almo bowl just a moment ago.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 04:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Games

I've noticed that other schools talk about some of their notable games. We have had quite a few of these over the years, even when we were not in contention for the national championship. For example, on November 7, 1964, a Penn State team with an ultimate record of 6-4-0 beat No. 2 ranked Ohio State 27-0, in Columbus! [1].

There was also the game at Notre Dame in the 1990 season. Notre Dame was ranked No. 1 in the nation going into the matchup, and had beaten Penn State soundly the previous two seasons. Penn State pulled off a dramatic come from behind victory that started it back on the road to national prominence. [2].

Lastly, there was the 1981 matchup with Pitt. Pitt went ahead 14-0 in the first quarter, then Penn State scored 48 unanswered points to win the game. [3]

I'm sure our fans and alumni can remember a few more of these games.