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I just added a paragraph or two from Tem42's writeup on Everything2: http://everything2.com/?node_id=1395181 I have his permission to port any of his E2 writeups to the Wikipedia. Please feel free to incorporate any other information you feel is worth including. -- General Wesc 01:56, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I ditched the "Pegasus atop the Opera house" image, which looked like something I'd find at a yard sale. Alexander 007 19:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


Are we quite sure this isn't a bit stub-by?

It's stubby, but not a stub. I placed a template for expansion. Alexander 007 00:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Pegasus is a winged horse

NOT a winged unicorn. A unicorn has a single horn, pegasus does not. Why the redirect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_unicorn —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.215.192.111 (talk) 01:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Probably because we haven't got an article on winged unicorns (alicorns / cerapters / pegacorns / unipegs). You could try to get the redirect deleted if you think it's worth the effort. Or you could write an article. --Zundark 11:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, looking at the edit history of winged unicorn, I see that it was originally intended as a redirect to winged equine. This makes sense, as a unicorn is certainly an equine (in the sense in which that term is used in fantasy circles), and the winged equine article even mentioned winged unicorns as an example. But someone objected to the winged equine article, and redirected it to pegasus. This made winged unicorn into a double redirect, which someone duly fixed. Thus a correct redirect became an incorrect redirect. --Zundark 12:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pegasus, Hippolochus and Piyama-Kurunta

- Was Argos that gave its name to Arzawa?

Note: The word "wa' means "land" in Hittite language.


- Was Bellerophon, the Corinthian prince of Greek Mythology, the same person with Uhhaziti, king of Arzawa?

- Was Arza-wa the "Argive land" (i.e. Achaean or Mycenean colonies), in Asia Minor (or else, Anatolia), in 16, 15, 14 centuries B.C. ?


- Was Madduwatta or Maddywattes, the Lukkan king of Arzawa (1360? B.C.) the same person with Jobates, the king of Lycia according to Greek Mythology?

- - Is exact the etymology, below ? :

Madduwatta < Maddu-watta < (Madd)u-watta < Uwatta < Ιοβάτα < Ιοβάτης (Jobates or Iobates)


- Was Piyama-Kurunta, Arzawean general and son of Uhhaziti, the king of Arzawa, the same person with Hippolochus (= he who is leader of cavalry, in Greek), the first son of Bellerophon or with ("Pegasus (the Corinthian)", the mythical horse of Bellerophon?

Note:

Hippolochus = Hippus ( = horse, in Greek) + lochus ( = group of soldiers, in Greek).

--IonnKorr 08:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pegasus InfoCorp

The word "Pegasus" has been used by several organizations worldwide. Though not as popular as other famous Greek words, such as "Zeus", Pegasus has it's own share of favorites. An example of this is Pegasus InfoCorp, a popular website and web based software development company based in India

[edit] Pegasus Project

Hey I have to do a report on Pegasus for a class....anyone have any odd-ball info that no one really knows???? thanks

    --ElvenLady~HobbitGirl 00:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)ElvenLady~HobbitGirl

[edit] Hercules

didn"t hercules have one (or was that just in the disney version)--I.W 20:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not Hercules, I dont think...

No, I dont think Hercules did. I think that was only in Disney...this is what i know so far:

Pegasus was born from the neck of Medusa when she was beheaded by the hero Perseus. (Medusa seduced Poseidon into laying down with her on the alter of Athena, enraging the goddess, and Medusa was punished, but that has nothing to do with the project) Wherever the steed touched hoof to earth, a spring burst out there. One such spring became sacred to the Muses. Athena caught and tamed Pegasus and presented him to the Muses, and he worked for them for a while. Bellerophon wanted to catch Pegasus, but never could. A wise person called Polyidus advised him to sleep on the alter of Athena. Bellerophon did, and, in his sleep, was visited by Athena. She gave him a golden bridle. in the morning, Bellerophon found the golden bridle still on the alter. He picked it up and went to find Pegasus. When the horse saw Bellerophon with the bridle, he came to him an let the hero ride him. While riding Pegasus, Bellerophon killed the Chimaera. He then tried to fly up Mt. Olympus on Pegasus's back. Zeus became outraged at this, and sent a gadfly to sting Pegasus. Pegasus bucked, and Bellerophon fell down to earth. Athena spared his life by allowing him to land on soft ground. However, Bellerophon spent the rest of his life miserably, as a blind cripple. Pegasus found a sanctuary on the side of Mount Olmypus and was allowed to stay there. He spent the rest of his days carrying thunderbolts for Zeus. Pegasus chose his mate, Ocyrrhoe (also known as Euippe), and thus began the family of winged horses. On the last day of Pegasus's life, Zeus turned him into a constellation. However, one feather fell to earth near a city called Tarsus, thus its name*.


I know most of this is already on Wikipedia's article on Pegasus, but that's why I need the other odd-ball info so much.

  • I don't get why Tarsus's name has to do with Pegasus...I looked it up and the article said it had to do with being named after a pegan god. Clarification on this would be nice. :)

thanks, though, I.W.! --ElvenLady~HobbitGirl 00:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)ElvenLady~HobbitGirl

[edit] Pegasuses?!?

What educated source would possibly call the plural that? This should be deleted. the plural is pegasi

Merriam Webster: Main Entry: Peg·a·sus Pronunciation: 'pe-g&-s&s Function: noun Etymology: Latin (genitive Pegasi), from Greek PEgasos —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.44.31.196 (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

  • Actually, Pegasus was originally a Greek word, and the plural for Greek words of this sort is “–odes”, not “–i”. The problem arises when one considers only the Latin genitive form “Pegasi”, but this is normally used only for stars in the constellation Pegasus, not for the mythical horse. A similar case of confused plurals can be seen in the Oxford English Dictionary entry for “octopus”, where it lists the correct Greek plural as “octopodes” and the correct Latin plural as “octopi”. Because of this confusion, I suggest that we compromise and leave the plural form as “Pegasuses”, which is also acceptable. AstroPig7 13:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • CORRECTION: The correct Greek plural of “Pegasus” is “Pegisides” (ref. Liddell and Scott’s Greek–English Lexicon), and the correct English plural is either “Pegasi” or “Pegasusses”. I dislike the look of the latter, but I’ll leave its fate up to the consensus of the other editors. AstroPig7 14:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
No, I definately don't think "pegasuses" is acceptable. It sounds, well.. childish, even. The Latin pluralisation of such words is also by far the more common usage over original Greecian plurals or.. I have to admit the Liddel-Scott work is a take I've never heard before. Octopus/octopi, campus/campi, cactus/cacti, ect. Regardless of language dominance, "pegasuses" is wrong and decidedly lowbrow for an excyclopedia. Angel the Techrat 15:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
My question now is how common is the word “Pegasi” outside of astronomy? To my knowledge it isn’t (even in heraldry the pluralization is a mixed bag), which is why I wanted to discuss this on a technical level. By the way, “campus” was originally a Latin word, so it’s a non-example of Greek pluralization versus Latin pluralization. Also, according to the OED, “cactuses” is the more common pluralization of “cactus”, which just exemplifies the confusion regarding these words. I won’t make this more of an argument than it already is and accept “Pegasi” without further complaint, but considering the support of the OED, I would hesitate to call “pegasusses” lowbrow (although I might call my mistaken spelling “pegasuses” that). AstroPig7 13:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Removed erroneous statement. AstroPig7 13:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Even within astronomy, 'Pegasi' is genitive singular, not nominative plural. Agemegos 01:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In Latin 'Pegasus' (And in Greek 'Pegasos') is a proper noun, the name of an unique individual. It is not a word for 'winged horse'. There is and can be no plural of 'Pegasus' any more than there is a plural of 'Oprah Winfrey'. If we extend the proper noun 'Pegasus' to a common noun 'pegasus', we do so in English, produce as a result an English word, and must inflect it using English rules. A Latin (or Greek) plural is justified only if the word can be attested as a common noun in Latin (or Greek).
I suggest that an encyclopaedia entry on an unique individual does not need a discussion of the plural of his name. We don't discuss the plural of 'Hercules' on the page about Hercules. We don't discuss the plural of 'Catherine the Great' on teh page about Catherine the Great. Insofar as winged horses may be called 'pegasi' as, say, an heraldic charge or part of some mythological or fictional species, the plural form should be discussed in a separate article on that species, or at very least in separate a section at the end of the article on Pegasus, the son of Poseidon and mount of Bellerophon. Agemegos 01:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Race of winged horses?

I'd like a primary source for this. This is the first time I've ever heard of a race of winged horses, and I'd like to include the original source(s). T@nn 08:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Race of Winged Horses

Um...I got my information on the "Race of Winged Horses", as it is called above, here on Wikipedia. I'm sure that with research there would be other sites backing this up, but I'm almost positive that there IS a "race" (let's just call it "family") of winged horses. NOT unicorns or whatever the plural of that is (those have a single horn on their foreheads), but horses that have wings.



--ElvenLady~HobbitGirl 02:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)ElvenLady~HobbitGirl

[edit] Tarsus

I'm inclined to delete the bracketed bit - (hence its name) - as the actual Tarsus page's information on the city's name appears to contradict the bracketed information on this page. There are ties to Pegasus, but not in the way that this page makes it appear (no mention of a feather on the Tarsus page). Further, the bracketed bit makes it seem as if Pegasus is the only source of the city's name, which doesn't appear to be so on the Tarsus page. Thoughts? Ultatri 15:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tarsus

I have to admit that I’m also confused about the relevance of Pegasus's fallen feather to the name of the city of Tarsus. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, ταρσός means “the flat of the foot between the toes and the heel; also the rim of the eyelid”, and the Wikipedia article on Tarsus doesn’t give relevant backing, either. I don’t see the relevance, so I’m nominating this statement for deletion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstroPig7 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

It is a legend. It doesn't need to be true!!! Wake up! Instead of deleting it, you could say that the name of the city of Tarsus was believed to come from this story. It might have been true and we get to know the legend.

[edit] Persian ?

Does it have any connection with the Persian word "Pegah" (پگاه ) that means "dawn"? --Alborz Fallah 17:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Shape of the constellation

Through checking the web I found many depictions of the pegasus constellation and none of them look like the one shown in the .gif image, i.e http://www.utahskies.org/deepsky/constellations/maps/Pegasus.jpg the one shown in the article seems to elaborate witch is quite unusual for a constellation, is this correct? or should the image be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.123.110.70 (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)