Talk:Paul Scholes
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Just read a comment that Geoff Hurst and Clive Mendonca were the only players to score hat tricks at the old Wembley, but did Scholes not score a hat trick against Poland in 1999.
Paul 'A Very Class Player' Scholes This is awful, I'm changing this. There is seriously too much crap editing of all footballer pages Johntinsley 21:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Now aged 30, he still has a good few years left at the top and will surely add more medals to his already impressive collection.
I don't like that sentence, even though I'm a big fan of the man myself. It smacks of subjectivity and invites criticism from neutrals IMHO. Would it be okay if I changed it? kelvinhole
- Definitely. There's stuff in the guidelines about this as Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_terms. CTOAGN 09:27, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Quotes
Should there be a section for quotes about Paul Scholes? Like "The best player is Paul Scholes, without a doubt. You get tough games in the Premiership but playing against Scholesy in training is the hardest thing you’ll face in football. His touch, imagination and vision for passes is amazing, and he scores goals for fun from just about anywhere on the pitch.", source Darren Fletcher's interview in www.manutd.com, URL: http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B79A08487%2DFD7F%2D455F%2D8553%2DD25CE87F047A%7D&newsid=368447
Also Steven Gerrard's biography has some nice words about Scholes, surprisingly.
- Can you get more quotes? If not for a section here then for WikiQuote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whilding87 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Goal Diary
Should these pages really be updated everytime he scores a goal? That isn't really the point is it.
- No. And it's something everyone needs to avoid, in all footballer articles. Whilding87 11:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
What about a stats table like the ones Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard currently have? Teso Dos Bichos 18:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Birthplace
According to this article and Oldham thats where he was born but according to Manchester United offical site (and others) he was born in Salford. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
1.7 metres tall?
[edit] NPOV Dispute
I removed one statement which may have constituted for NPOV, but I can't find any more evidence of such writing. Could whoever added the tag backup their reasons or point out further points? Whilding87 11:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Appearances
On the "Personal Information" section it states that he has 377 appearances, this is completely wrong as he has over 500 appearances, as stated in the "later career" subtitle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.10.254 (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I am guessing the personal information only counts Premier League games and not FA Cup/Carling Cup/Champions League etc.. games Xkingoftheworldx (talk) 11:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Trust Oldham patron?
There was a statement under "Trivia" saying that Paul Scholes was a member of Trust Oldham, and it had a link to their website. I couldn't find Paul Scholes' name on that website at all, and I therefore removed that line. Please be sure to cite a page that clearly states his connection with that group, because otherwise, it comes across as mere speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.36.35 (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] UEFA Champions League titles
Has he won one or two Champions League titles? I would say he's only won one, as he was not involved in the final in 1999. Same goes for Gary Neville, who was involved in 1999, but not 2008. – PeeJay 09:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf
Medals 4.03 Thirty gold medals are presented to the winning club, and 30 silver medals to the runner-up. Additional medals may not be produced.
Although players who are not in the 25-man squad do not receive their medals at the ceremony, they certainly receive them at a later date, so I would say Scholes and Neville have both won two titles. 68.42.110.139 (talk) 22:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- The fact is that the club can distribute those medals any way they wish, so whether or not Scholes and Neville were given medals is irrelevant, IMO. Usually, I would say that only the matchday squad (starting XI and subs) should be given the distinction of having the competition listed amongst their honours. The disadvantage of this is that it is immensely unfair on players like Scholes in 1999 or Park Ji-Sung this season, in that they played integral roles in getting the team to the final, yet played no part in the final match itself. Nevertheless, it is not Wikipedia's place to decide what is fair and what is not. – PeeJay 11:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
If a player has received a winners medal they could reasonably be said to be a winner of that competition and therefore have in amoungst their honours. I have a feeling that Keane, SCohle and Berg all got winners medals in 1999 and therefore should be included here in personal honours. (Statto999 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC))
- You "have a feeling" that Keane, Scholes and Berg got medals? Well, I'm sorry, but that's just not good enough. We need hard evidence that they got medals. Until then, we cannot, in good conscience, say that Scholes has won two Champions League titles. – PeeJay 22:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok so perhaps not the most verifiable source!! have a look on your champions of europe dvd possibly??? I'll get back to you when/if I find something. TTFN (Statto999 (talk) 11:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC))
- ok try "In the Nou Camp that night Paul and i were very reluctant to respond when urged forward by the manager to pick up our medals.Yes we played a part ....... but the night belonged to the lads on the pitch ." from Roy keane's autobiography. as quoted on http://forum.football365.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=2085144&#msg_2085144 I don't have a copy to hand at present so I'll only update the main when I can see for certain. (Statto999 (talk) 14:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC))
"Manchester United can field five players with CL final experience. However, six players have won the competition. Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville were part of the team that beat Bayern Munich in 1999. Paul Scholes was suspended for the final and Wes Brown was on the bench, but both received winners medals. Edwin van der Sar reached the final with Ajax in 1995 and 1996, winning the first one. Owen Hargreaves won the 2001 competition with Bayern Munich and Patrice Evra lost the 2004 final with AS Monaco." BBC Sport Monday May 19th —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.133.79 (talk) 16:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Look. The guy played in all the rounds except for the final and picked up a winners medal. In the past non-finalists didn't medal but in the modern day they do and did in 1999. If Scholes has a winners medal he can't realistically be considered as not winning in 1999. The Champions League is over 13 games not one. see http://www.footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=player&Id=152&b=true&pn=Paul_Scholes I've updated the main article to include 1999. (User123418 (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC))
- You can add it back when you provide a definite source that he is/was in possession of a 1999 UEFA medal. Until such time, do not bother adding it. ¢rassic! (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article1114846.ece 'There is a safe in which his England caps, his European Cup medal, his FA Cup and Premiership gongs and the other baubles of his career sit “locked away”. He shrugs. “Occasionally, my family want to have a look at them, but I don’t bother.” ' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Statto999 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
