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Contents 1 Articles in Article Namespace by Me 1.1 Little context in Accepted value 2 Edits to Article Namespace by Me 2.1 But I'm a Cheerleader 2.2 Characters of The Big O 3 Article Talk: Namespace 3.1 Talk:Stonehenge 4 User: Namespace 4.1 Music Userboxes 4.2 Question: Andruet.b 4.3 August 2007 4.4 Miscategorization 5 User talk: Namespace 5.1 DO NOT post other peoples' emails without their permission 5.2 Parser functions request 5.3 Declawing and Veganism, Depression 5.4 Your questions on Wikipedia talk:Village pump 6 Userboxes in Template, User, or Wikipedia Namespace 6.1 Animal rights 6.2 Userbox User:FastLizard4/Userboxing/BSOD2 6.3 Another Response 6.4 User language template changes 6.5 Template:User en-0 6.6 Template:User en-6 6.7 Count of admins 6.8 User boxes 6.9 Sranan Tongo Babel Box 6.10 Source to Short Barnstar 7 Wikipedia: Namespace 7.1 Babel 8 Wikipedia talk: Namespace 9 Templates 9.1 Template logic 9.2 Template:Infobox user:PatPeter/infobox 9.3 you forgot {{User DGAF}} 9.4 Template list 9.5 Template:usbk 9.6 Template 201 10 Images 10.1 Orphaned non-free image (Image:CheatBase.JPG) 10.2 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Marist Logo.jpg) 11 Subpages 12 Categories 13 Post Above Here - Uncategorized threads 13.1 {{User:PatPeter/User nohomosexualrights}} 13.2 Blocked 13.2.1 Some requested info

[edit] Articles in Article Namespace by Me

[edit] Little context in Accepted value

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[edit] Edits to Article Namespace by Me

[edit] But I'm a Cheerleader

Hi, could you please comment at Talk:But I'm a Cheerleader and try to reach a consensus with me about the change you made? Perhaps we could come up with a better solution... --BelovedFreak 20:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm afraid I've reverted again & commented on talkpage. PLEASE read what I've put, and if y ou still have issues, can we please deal with them one at a time? I'm really not trying to WP:OWN this article but I've put a lot of work in to it and have a lot more to do. It's really quite disheartening to come back to it and have everything reverted, some of it apparently for no reason. I do appreciate your thoughts, but please try to understand the reasons behind my edits. I don't know if you're a member of the film project, but if you're interested in films then it's a mine of information & discussion. I've learned an awful lot just hanging around on the talkpages there. --BelovedFreak 19:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, thankyou so much for discussing this stuff, I'm starting to enjoy this! I think the only things left to sort out are the spacing, movie certificate infobox & flags.... we'll get there! --BelovedFreak 20:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

PS. As far as the number of edits goes, If I'd done the changes in just one or two edits, it's be much harder to see what's going on, makes it more difficult to make effective use of edit summaries. I haven't really made use of the {{in use}} template before, I will probably give it a try, but, unless I'm mistaken, that won't have any effect on the number of edits, it's more to do with avoiding edit conflicts. --BelovedFreak 20:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters of The Big O

We don't move pages all willy-nilly, by copying-and-pasting its contents to another article, since it messes with the article's history doing that way. Read WP:MOVE for more information on the subject.

Although, I think I understand why you did it. The standard naming scheme is "List of characters in (series)"; but at the time the article was created, WP:ANIME called for list to be named "Characters in (series) if it contains actual information on the characters."

Unless the project shows an initiative in standardizing the lists, nothing will come of moving just one.--Nohansen 19:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Talk: Namespace

[edit] Talk:Stonehenge

I answered your question on the talk page. Hope this clears things up. Benea 21:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User: Namespace

[edit] Music Userboxes

Your template does seem cool and I like the idea of a Darkedge music page or whatever it was :). I'm all for it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkedge (talk • contribs) 20:08, 11 September 2007

Sure, go ahead and do that whenever... thanks a lot! Darkedge —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkedge (talk • contribs) 22:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a ton, and it does look great... I'm still working on my writing, but it's getting closer :). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkedge (talk • contribs) 00:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question: Andruet.b

Sox207, you said you took my page out of a bad category. I assumed you were talking about the page Robert Benoit Raymond. I would also like to know what happened to it, because my grandfather, Robert Benoit Raymond, died today, September 25,2007, and I wanted to edit his article. If you could put it back, that would be VERY much appreciated. Thank you, Andruet.b —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andruet.b (talk • contribs) 05:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it very much. i was just a little mad that no-one had told me it was going to be, or was deleted. I will take your advice and create it as a sub-article. once again thanks! - Andruet.b —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] August 2007

Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to User:Nathraq. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits. Thank you. Tiptoety 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, next time you remove content from a page please remember to use the edit summary to explain and justify why you removed that content. Thank you, Tiptoety 19:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miscategorization

How do I make my Userbox display page stop displaying the categories Mangalore Wikipedians and Wikepedians interested in Aviation at the bottom? I tried inserting the noinclude tag but doesn't seem to work. Reply here I am watching this page--PremKudva^Talk 11:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to {{User Mangalore}} and make the content as follows:

<div style="float:{{{float|left}}}; border:{{{border-width|1}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|red}}}}}}; margin:1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:{{{info-background|{{{2|orange}}}}}};"
| style="width:45px; height:33px; background:{{{logo-background|{{{1|red}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size|{{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color|{{{id-fc|black}}}}}};" | '''{{{logo|{{{3|[[Image:Panamburbeach057.jpg|50px]]}}}}}}'''
| style="font-size:{{{info-size|8}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{info-color|black}}};" | This user is a [[Mangalore|'''Manglorean''']].
|}</div><includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{{categories}}}|no||[[Category:Mangalore Wikipedians|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}</includeonly><noinclude><br clear="all"/>

== Usage ==
*'''DO NOT''' copy the source of this userbox. Otherwise you risk putting your userpage in a miscategorization.
*Put this Userbox on your userpage like this:{{[[Template:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|{{BASEPAGENAME}}]]}}

[[Category:User templates|Mangalore]]</noinclude>

then go to {{User aviation}} and change it to:

<div style="float: left; border:solid {{{1|red}}} 1px; margin: 0px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width: 238px; background: {{{2|#fccd88}}};"
| style="width: 55px; height: 37px; background: {{{1|grey}}}; text-align: center; font-size: {{{5|{{{id-s|14}}}}}}pt; color: {{{id-fc|black}}};" | '''{{{3|[[Image:540756.jpg|55px]]}}}'''
| style="font-size: {{{info-s|8}}}pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em; color: {{{info-fc|black}}};" | {{{4|This user is interested in '''[[aviation]]'''.}}}
|}</div>
<includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User||[[Category:Wikipedians interested in aviation|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}</includeonly>
<noinclude>[[Category:Interest user templates|Aviation]]</noinclude>

then change your page to

These are some of the user boxes that I have created so far. Copy the code to your userpage.

{| 
!Code
!Box
|-
| {{[[Template:User_Mangalore|User Mangalore]]}}||{{User Mangalore|categories=no}}
|-
|{{[[User:Scepia/book lover|User:Scepia/book lover]]}}||{{User:Scepia/book lover}}
|-
|{{[[User:Scepia/Asterix|User:Scepia/Asterix]]}}||{{User:Scepia/Asterix}}
|-
|{{[[User:Scepia/National Geographic Society|User:Scepia/National Geographic Society]]}}||{{User:Scepia/National Geographic Society}}
|-
| {{[[Template:User_space shuttle|User space shuttle]]}}||{{User space shuttle}}
|-
| {{[[Template:User_aviation|User aviation]]}}||{{User aviation}}
|-
| {{[[Template:User_boeing 737|User boeing 737]]}}||{{User boeing 737}}
|-
| {{[[User:Premkudva/ChevyOptra|User:Premkudva/ChevyOptra]]}}||{{User:Premkudva/ChevyOptra}}
|}

-PatPeter 21:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Pat:-)--PremKudva^Talk 03:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

No, thank you my friend for realizing my value as an editor. -PatPeter 03:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User talk: Namespace

[edit] DO NOT post other peoples' emails without their permission

I have deleted the history of your talk page that included private emails between yourself and another Wikipedian. Do not post private emails on Wikipedia without permission. It is a violation of our policies and many jurisdictions' laws. ··coelacan 20:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The relevant reading material for you is Wikipedia:Harassment. Yes, there was also a message from Blast san deleted, which you had already read. I can only delete full revisions, and the revision that included Blast san's message also included the emails, so the whole thing had to be deleted. That is your fault, not mine. Don't post private emails, and you won't have that problem. ··coelacan 18:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parser functions request

You wrote:

Could you help me add parser functions to the userboxes on this page? I can't figure it out but it would be helpful to know because Userspace is my area of expertise. -PatPeter 04:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I've really cut back on the amount of Wikipedia-ing I'm doing these days, but If you can wait until after Saturday (roughly at least 18 hours from now), I'd be willing to at least get you started or debug or whatever. I really don't have the time to write functions for you, but I'm willing to help you learn to write them yourself. :-) Which userbox(es) and on which page(s) did you need help with? --Willscrlt (Talk) 04:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I have provided more information at User talk:Willscrlt/UBX/categories. I hope that helps clear things up a bit. If not, just leave me more questions there, and then drop me a note on my regular talk page to let me know you left me a message. I'm just trying to keep the actual "how-to" in one place that can help others, too. Thanks! --Willscrlt (Talk) 05:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Umm. Yeah. {{usbk}} is going to be a bit tricky to implement this. I completely understand why you're having troubles. The instructions on my page are for editing single userboxes, not for editing a transcluded esoteric template with a lot of parser functions already inside it. It shouldn't be too rough, but I'm just a little nervous about it because so many pages link to it. One typo, and a lot of pages will suddenly look really weird or break totally. I'm going to have to do this one in a sandbox and test fully before implementing. The cool thing is that by editing one template that is used in so many userboxes, this will add that functionality to all of them "automagically". :-) I won't be able to tackle this until at least tomorrow. I'll probably try setting this up on a brand new wiki I'm installing. There aren't any users there who will be affected by any testing I do. Then, when it works there, I can set up a sandbox here, and then when that tests okay, we can try going live.

If there are any other userbox templates that you are aware of that do similar things, please let me know. I'd like to upgrade them all at once while it's fresh in my head. This should be a fun little challenge. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk) 00:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Just letting you know I haven't forgotten this. I'm just getting back into the swing of parser functions again on my new wiki before I tackle the one here. It's amazing how quickly you can forget things. It's all familiar, but the nuances of multiple cascading logic and the nuances of the wiki system (e.g., where line breaks are acceptable or even desirable vs. when they just break things) take some getting used to again. When I feel back in the game, I'll tackle it. I'm not afraid of "being bold", but I don't want to be stupid either. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk) 00:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Ten hours of sleep sounds good right about now for me, too. Too bad I have to be at an appointment in just under 8 hours, and sleep, eating, and getting ready for the appointment have to be sandwiched into those 8 hours. *sigh* Anyway, the new wiki, AGHS Reunions Wiki, is one I am designing for my high school. It's part of a portal that will be used for alumni to plan and announce reunions and share information. Mostly just for fun, but it's also something to add to my portfolio of work. I'm copying some templates from here verbatim (basic functions common to most wikis), copying ones that I have written for Wikipedia (like the category suppression feature and other templates), and writing several new ones from scratch. There are a lot of cool things you can do with the Wikimedia software when you are the site owner and you don't have to wait for consensus. There's nobody else even visiting the site yet, so it's a consensus of one. :-)

To some extent, I agree with you about using the HTML code instead of the wiki markup for tables. It certainly makes table design much easier (IMO) when you can just type </td></tr><tr><td> instead of {{!-}}, which just seems clunky. But for people not comfortable with HTML, the wiki markup is, arguably, easier to understand. I'm trying to stick with it in my new templates because as HTML and CSS standards change, Wikimedia can be updated to use new standards and the code will continue to work. Any hand-crafted code could fail future validations if things change. I see it as a challenge to do it the wiki-way, so I'm enjoying accepting that challenge for now. Eeek. Only 7.5 hours until my appointment now. Got to go. --Willscrlt (Talk) 08:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Declawing and Veganism, Depression

Although my own cat is not declawed, and I don't feel outdoor or indoor outdoor cats should be declawed, I don't really oppose it for indoors-only cats as long as they are put under for the operation and given pain medication afterwards, which I believe is pretty standard?

Veganism can be really bad for depression. It can make you pessimistic about the world, unable to see the forest for the trees or the good for the bad. Have you ever noticed how, when something nice happens (say, a person thanks you) it just seems normal, barely even registers, but if something bad happens (someone unpleasant at work) it ruins your entire day? I think veganism is like that. Not to cause a fight, but since you're a fellow sufferer, I have to say, finding some balance and acceptance about humans' best efforts to include animals in the socety we've built (and maybe reconsidering whether farm animals really have it bad [sitting around, eating], or whether you've been propagandized)... it might be good for you. It was tremendous for me.

Personally, I think veganism may have done a tremendous amount of damage to the environmental movement, by putting it out there as an unattainable, excruciating extreme that ruins your mind. People see extremes like that and, yeah, some are inspired, but some other number are deflated and join the ranks of the steely-eyed and self-protective to avoid constant censure from the "radical right wing of the left." Just a few thoughts... - Repeat2341 05:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, PatPeter... I didn't really understand most of your reply...

So where you a vegan before?

Yes, I was for six years or more. I pamphleted and picked fights and made it into a deal-breaker for meeting new people, like every vegan I know... After meeting several former vegetarians and vegans who had a bit more spiritual understanding of the real world than me, and realizing that I was trivializing the difficulty of human life, I decided to reevaluate the matter. I realized I was being kind of shallow. I eventually realized that feedlot animals lead better lives than the people they're feeding, by and large. I could go on about the psychological reasons people get into all this, but I don't care to sound speculative.

Thats because the extremists who become vegans don't have anyone fluent in the matter to guide them.

On the contrary, I think the problem is very much that vegans ignore and disrespect all forms of influence except older vegans. It's very imbalanced, very 'ego,' to think that everyone else is so stupid. All this mental material, the whole matter, is common knowledge in the mainstream. It's the same way that state communism sounds flat-out ignorant to anyone who understands about human motivation.

Like how many of your vegan associates have Doctors or Chiropractors?

I guess I don't understand the question. Every vegan I know is very (I would say, even exclusively) into the issues of vegan health. They just don't know for hard work or the real emotional health people who work like dogs 50+ weeks a year have to be concerned with. It's a bit... ivory-tower.

Most animals sit around eating, thats all they can do is eat, sleep, and mate.

Sounds sweet to me. I work my ass off just to scrape by.

Why is cow manure used?

So what? There are 6 billion people in the world. Things have gotten to where small-time methods are simply ineffective. If we can't, financially, feed (emotionally and physically) this population with cows in fields (instead of loafing around, eating rich food), why not fertilize the fields ourselves? What's the big deal?

It used to be a natural balance, but frankly, I like the 'artificial' balance better. 'Artificial' doesn't mean unnatural, I don't think. I think it means 'experimental.' And from the perspective of people who enjoy the culture, the fashion, the comfort, the schools and everything else there is in modernity, all these experiments are smashing successes. I personally agree with that. I wouldn't like to live in the hot, stinky, bug-riddled, dangerous outdoors, with jack beans to do all day.

Not that animals couldn't have it better. I have a little website, http://www.feedlotradio.org, to put radios in feedlots. I like the idea of giving animals outdoor time for play and to make the experience nicer. But I wouldn't enforce it. The $1 McDonald's cheeseburger literally kept me from starving for a period of weeks once, and much better than I could have felt (emotionally or physically) on Ramen or whatever. The real, human world is very much harder and more complicated than most vegans seem to think.

It's just... vegans are so impractical. If you want to be vegan for environmental or health reasons, I can understand that, but for purely ethical reasons... and especially to be political about it... to be honest, it makes you sound like a sheltered kid who's never really had it hard enough to need a hot sandwich or a perfect milkshake or whatever.

That's as best as I can explain things right now. I don't mean to preach; do whatever you want. I just think... what's the big deal, honestly, about indoor cats being declawed under anaesthesia? Where did you get the idea that this practice was completely, totally horrible? A declawed cat can lead a nice, comfy indoor life with all the luxuries, with a family who otherwise couldn't have a cat. Know what I mean?

You've got to learn to pick your battles. You're hurting the left, hurting the environmental cause, and probably hurting your own mental and emotional development much more than you realize, barking at the moon like this. - Just an opinion. - Repeat2341 07:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I've sadly realized that former vegetarians/vegans failed in approaching the matter with a scientific method. I am a vegan, I'm healthy, strong and enthusiastic about life, love, knowledge and progress, and despite unlucky circumstances, nothing can hurt or destroy me. Doktor Who 12:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes people who did worse as vegans were probably too weak or too uninformed. -PatPeter 17:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your questions on Wikipedia talk:Village pump

Wikipedia talk:Village pump is not the correct place for asking knowledge questions. For that, you need to use the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Have a nice day. --tjstrf talk 17:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. The village pump is generally used for starting discussions on various things about Wikipedia, like how a policy should be applied, or a new proposal, or technical stuff about using the wiki software. For asking more general questions, we have the reference desk for knowledge questions and the Wikipedia:Help desk for questions about using Wikipedia. --tjstrf talk 17:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pat, I see your question has been getting kicked from one page to another. My suggestion would have been to look through the energy talk page or edit history for someone who looks knowledgeable, then post a question on their user talk page.

Anyway, energy is not strictly a material, although sometimes the line is blurred. Energy is a physical quantity, a property of a system that is "conserved" in the sense that it doesn't change over time as long as nothing from the outside interferes.

For example, a mass oscillating on a spring has a combination of mechanical energy (from the motion of the mass) and potential energy ("stored" in the spring depending on how it is stretched or compressed). If nothing else interferes, the total mechanical+potential energy is constant, even though sometimes there is less mechanical and more potential, and vice versa. On the other hand, if something else interferes, the total energy can be changed (for example, you could reach in and stop the oscillation in the right place so that the total energy is zero). It's this conservation property, i.e., the fact that the total energy doesn't change, which makes energy a useful concept.

The reason I said "the line is blurred" is because relativity theory reveals that (1) mass can be created or destroyed, but it has an energy (E=mc^2) that must be conserved, and (2) gravity comes from and acts on all forms of energy, even though we're used to thinking of it as interacting only with mass (for example, a hot 1 lb weight seems to be ever so slightly heavier than a cold 1 lb weight because it has extra thermal energy).

To sum up, energy is not "material," but in certain domains (special/general relativity) it behaves a lot like mass. Hope this rambling helps! Gnixon 14:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes in Template, User, or Wikipedia Namespace

[edit] Animal rights

Hello. I removed the userbox you posted on the animal rights talkpage as it violates WP:SOAP. Talkpages are for discussing the associated article, not for promoting causes. Also, per your request, there is Wikipedia:WikiProject Animal rights, and the associated userbox, that covers this subject area. Rockpocket 21:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem I couldn't find the WikiProject at the time. -PatPeter 16:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, I certainly am against de-clawing and all forms of inhumane treatment of animals, but I'm also against userboxes (I don't have any on my page). Thanks for the message though, - Francis Tyers · 19:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't advertise your userboxes as aggresively as you have been. As Rockpocket says above, this is considered soapboxing. I've removed the userbox from Talk:Onychectomy. Thanks. Chick Bowen 03:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You should also be careful about how you go drumming up support for xfD's. There is a fine line between alerting those with an interest in the subject and recruiting meatpuppets. The wording of your request, "...if you feel this category should not be deleted, please contribute to the discussion" [1] (my bold) skirts that line. Rockpocket 07:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox User:FastLizard4/Userboxing/BSOD2

I reverted your edits because the <tt> tags are intentional. The point was to replicate the BSoD, so I made the font courier, which is more of a representation of the BSoD.
--FastLizard4 (Talk•Links•Sign) 02:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another Response

Hi,

First of all thanks for the userbox. I am indeed against all cruelty at all living creatures, so naturaly I support your view. I however have had firsthand prejudice because of my userboxes. The views I inserted in certain articles where always viewed as personal opinions in stead of real facts (allthough they were properly referenced). That is why I removed all my userboxes.I would however sign a petition,if you or anyone else would present it to me supporting the view that it is a cruel practise, or even walk in a demonstration supporting the same view. Teardrop onthefire 09:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User language template changes

Why have you made changes such as this? Was there a discussion about it somewhere that you can point me to? BigNate37_(T) 15:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:User en-0

Excuse me but if you do not know why something is as it is please do not edit it. You not only changed a template to a wrong version but also left the residue behind. You only took out includeonly tags, common to every userbox that places a userpage in a category. Please refrain from making such edits in the future without reading up on them first. -Sox207 20:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I did know exactly why the category was there, and I removed it per the consensus. In case you don't aleady know, the community decided to delete it, and Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/September 2007#Category:User en-0 is where you can read it. I am deleting it, because the category does not exist. Taric25 08:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:User en-6

Please do not edit userboxes unless you know what you are doing, you took a necessary category out of the parser function and added this page to CAT:User en-6, a Wikipedian category, a category no userbox should exist in. -Sox207 16:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Please do not presume that you have a clue as to what I was doing. Because in this case, apparently you didn't. You really should check your tone at the door. (I'm using this tone merely in response to yours...)

Anyway, templates which populate user categories are categorised in those categories in order that they may be more easily found by those looking for them. They are alphabetised under the asterisk (*). - jc37 19:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

No in this case I obviously did. Language templates are no longer put in their Wikipedian categories, that is why categories such as Category:User templates en exist, under no circumstance should templates be placed in user categories. This has been "instituted" per say for quite a while, and if I am not mistaken the discussion took place on WPT:BBL. If they need "be more easily found by those looking for them," wouldn't it be much much simpler to put a link to the template and even display it if you can cancel the parser funciton in the Category article space? The matter of templates in user categories became redundant long ago. Also I apologize for some of the tone in my message, I am also dealing with a couple other users who are doing worse things to these template, so I sort of copied this message onto here. -Sox207 19:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Where is the discussion that says levels are not supposed to be in the same category as native? -Sox207 19:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

There are more user categories than just the language ones. And there is no reason that the language templates cannot be categories along both conventions. This is the standard convention for all user categories. See Wikipedia:Userboxes#Syntax for including categories for an example of what I'm talking about. (I looked at the babel link. It appears that they don't seem too thrilled with you there...)

As for "Displaying" them, that's not usually a good idea. There are times in which there are at least a dozen duplicate userboxes which populate the category.

And thank you for the apology. As an aside, you may want to consider not biting those who may not understand. A little WikiLove goes a long way : ) - jc37 19:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going to go through and revert all your changes. They may have been well-meant, but they're disruptive. A good example was ignoring taric above when he informed you that the 0-level categories are to not exist. It's also directly mentioned at Wikipedia:Babel.

If you don't stop, and find consensus/discussion first, I'm going to block you for disruption. Though I will admit, I would really rather not do so. - jc37 20:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not biting anyone I am just being strict. And are you kidding me? If you followed the Babel link and actually realized what was going on, that is a discussion section that I set up myself, other users are actually thankful that I did do so that Babel discussions can come to a close more officially and whatnot. When was Wikipedia:Userboxes#Syntax for including categories last edited? We came to this conclusion at Babel a while back, no one knew this entry existed so no one changed it.

The Babel userboxes can be displayed using that one template that was made specifically for that purpose, as for other userboxes, parser functions are being placed into them as per: Category:Category suppression supporting templates, so that you can display userboxes and stop them from doing what you are talking about. -Sox207 20:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stop. If you read more into that, Taric was wrong with what he said, I wasn't trying to institute -0 level categories. -Sox207 20:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

And Category:User en is for all English speakers, it is not the same as en-n.

And also, I am not causing disruption, changes have been made and the policies of which you speak no longer exist. Please do not revert my edits because they are how they should be. -Sox207 20:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

You added a category to a 0-level userbox (which, by the way makes zero sense - Why add people who claim to not speak english to a category which proclaims that its members speak english?)

What I'd like to presume is that you're just a bit over enthusiastic. I think what would help the most here is some discussion. (Let's just keep it here to save us both pasting back-n-forth.)

You asked about the en parent category. The levelled sub-categories shouldn't also be categorised into the parent category. That's direct overcategorisation, and makes it less clear who knows what about the language in question. (Indeed, there have been many discussions about emptying parent categories of everything but subcategories (and a few semi-related pages): See Category:Wikipedians by video game, Category:Wikipedians by software, and even Category:Wikipedians, just to name a few.)

It's very clear by your comments above that you're only aware of discussions at Babel. I'll note again that babel is part of the user category system, it isn't the whole of it. There are, right now, users who have suggested that the babel system be removed entirely (for naming reasons, for one thing. It's creating problems. See the ALS discussion on this talk page for one example.

Now, I am not one of those, as I think the babel naming conventions are better than the longer spelled out names, but I don't think it will be long before the system is nominated for renaming by someone soon.

I see you starting a discussion at the Babel talk page. I'll be happy to post a notice there as well.

In the meantime, is there anything further you wanted clarification on? - jc37 20:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I started two necro-discussions on WPT:BBL, but we won't get replies for a while, we are still trying to get all those who participated in Babel to sign the Members list so that we can call on them when we need a vote. But read what I wrote there it makes perfect sense not to put templates in their respective categories, there are plenty of better solutions. -Sox207 20:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok you will obviously put this back on my talk page for me, but I like the notification... anyway. Yeah adding the category on en-0 was a bit subconscious, was used to doing it with the other ones, I have also been editing too long I have blurred vision. Taric was trying to say that I was adding in Category:User en-0 more though. But yes as you may be able to tell, all my contributions to Babel, related templates, etc. I am very passionate about them. And I am aware of other discussions outside of Babel, I was about to mention how the discussion may not have been in the Babel archives but somewhere else, I just can't for the life of me remember where. The reason I made the system at Babel is because all those discussions are going on at places like that talk page, that should be going on at Babel. I mean looking at that talk page it is just ridiculous how the votes are not even being cast by the people who edit Babel more than the others, the people who know what is best for Babel. But yeah I am going to get back to whatever it is I was doing before this discussion, ttus. -Sox207 20:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, there are some who might complain that it's more bureaucracy, and for that matter, though straw polls can be useful, democracy either. Just a suggestion to keep in mind.

In the meantime, I'm going to revert those en- categories, as I said I would, though retaining some of the "extras" that you've added, as well. I would request that you don't keep reverting in favour of your opinion until an actual consensus is found for your changes. - jc37 21:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright so put the userboxes back in their respective Wikipedian categories, keep the parser functions for all of them except take out User en category from them until we reach a consensus on that, not much else more I can think of I think thats it, and if you take en-0 out of user en for its includeonly, then take out the entire includeonly tags along with the parser function, and next to the categories take it out of the suppression category. -Sox207 21:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

An additional page worth reading: m:The Wrong Version. Have a good day. - jc37 21:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait so are you going to protect something? -Sox207 21:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't planning to (though I suppose I shouldn't rule it out). Just felt that it was worth reading. - jc37 21:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I think I understand it pretty well. Unless a dual copycat of me comes along and tries to do the same thing relentlessly then protecting would be redundant, but I would like to see all the En userboxes semi-protected, because I have cleaned up quite a good amount of vandalism in the past few days. Do you know where the best place to go to nominate five templates would be? -Sox207 21:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion, if that is what you mean. As for protection, see Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. - jc37 21:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yay I will go nominate them all now. -Sox207 21:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Count of admins

There are 1,557 admins. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The wikitext above is "There are {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} admins.". -- Rick Block (talk) 22:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User boxes

Sorry man, didn't quite understand what the hell ya saying. Would you care to explain? Khullah 05:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sranan Tongo Babel Box

I replied to your request for a better Sranan Tongo translation on my user page. Thanks very much for your offer to help me with this. Brian Adler 06:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source to Short Barnstar

The reference on my page appears to refer to something no longer at that location! Was about to begin a bit of Wikitime after a few months, and I have to say I generally don't get on with the search function too well... So yeah, a heads up! Loving the AS userbox btw, wooopage =] ~CortalYX^Talk? 19:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Err, small quick minor edit... didn't place comment at bottom. Sorrys. {Deliberate grammatical error.} ~CortalYX^Talk? 19:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia: Namespace

[edit] Babel

For your information, the level xx-5 was conceived precisely for those people who have a professional proficiency in the language, meaning they are absolute experts on grammar, style, etc. Anyone who hasn't studied English in college probably should have xx-4 or lower. There is no need to create another xx-6 level, as it will serve no purpose. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that the following:

You have a "professional" proficiency in a language. You should be able to confidently tell whether a sentence is structurally correct, find the most appropriate word for a given concept, and understand literary and technical language.

Is fairly clear. There's not much ambiguity in the word professional. Basically the language either needs to be your profession, or if not, you must be at commercial-grade-level, according to the definition on Wikipedia itself. It's fairly clear that just being good at English in high school does not fit these criteria. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

So why then do you wish for an xx-6 level to be created? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all, just creating the template doesn't mean "it's already created". It has to be endorsed by the community as a whole in order to appear on Wikipedia:Babel. Secondly, I don't think you understand how Babel works at all and what it is/should be used for. Not only is it international (has nothing to do with the English Wikipedia specifically), but also its role is mainly to help find translators, for example, you wrote a great (good/featured) article in English and would like it translated to Spanish - therefore you would ask someone with es-4 or es-5 to do it. In any case, it has been agreed on at Wikipedia talk:Babel numerous times that level proliferation is bad, and several proposals were rejected, such as en-s (student), etc. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Other than xx-S, there was a previous proposal for xx-6 (can't find it atm), also for alphabet proficiencies (they were actually used, but the creator and myself agreed that there doesn't need to be 5 levels for it - and as such a couple of them were deleted - see early discussion), and various proposals to remove xx-N (including my own such proposal). These were rejected on numerous bases, but in general proposals for Babel weren't written and then rejected, more like someone created a level (e.g. xx-6) and the other users thought it was a bad idea and said so on the talk page. Here's another discussion you might want to look at. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 00:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there are only two pages where such a vote can be made: either at WP:Babel, or at the village pump. Both are not as active as needed for an important vote like this, but that's life. Feel free to start a vote and please inform me about it :) -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk: Namespace

[edit] Templates

[edit] Template logic

The problem you were having was that you had " <br><br><br>" at the end of every multiple of four in order to 'move down a row'. This was fine when you had subsequent entries to fill that row, but if you had some number of entries that was a multiple of four you were still inserting an extra row and filling it only with a 'space' character. I removed the spaces from each section and the linebreaks with no content will now automatically collapse rather than creating the extra box. --CBD 11:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox user:PatPeter/infobox

A template you created, Template:Infobox user:PatPeter/infobox, has been marked for deletion as a deprecated and orphaned template. If, after 14 days, there has been no objection, the template will be deleted. If you wish to object to its deletion, please list your objection here and feel free to remove the {{deprecated}} tag from the template. If you feel the deletion is appropriate, no further action is necessary. Thanks for your attention. --MZMcBride 01:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for deleting that, it was a template I accidently made when I first joined Wikipedia. -PatPeter 17:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] you forgot {{User DGAF}}

... interrupting your busy schedule of writing FA and GA articles.. I mean... whoops.. interrupting your busy schedule of slapping templates on things, you forgot {{User DGAF}} -- Ling.Nut 04:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

And you never responded to me, coward, and that is no more of an insult than your ...whoops... so don't dare try to pull NPA. -PatPeter 17:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

You're hitting my radar PatPeter. I'd avoid DGAF as you won't get much traction on any TfD. I think some of your concern with DGAF is drifting into WP:POINT as the reverse of "This user supports equal rights for queer people." would be "This user does not support equal rights for queer people.". You can delete my talk here if you want. Ttiotsw 06:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template list

No actually it's worse than that. That's every uncategorized template as of about 2 months ago. I got it from another user. The original list crammed them all into one...and was so large that my browser crashed while loading it. I've shaved about 1/3rd of the entries off of the list and I've been at it for several months now. If you want to help out, go at it. All I ask is that entires you've worked on get removed from the list. If you didn't see it, this is the ToC. I've also done alot of reorganizing of the template categories. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 00:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep. The uncategorized template list is mind-boggling, to say the least. And yes, alot of it is due to userboxes. As you can see from my ToC, I have an entire page for the ones starting with "User". One nice thing with doing this kind of work is that it's a quiet corner of Wikipedia. So you can reorganize the template cats and create new ones without alot of guff. :) But on the other hand, it is very very neglected. The sheer # of uncategorized templates is staggering. There are times when I feel the same way you do. I'll get going on say the Ns. I'll remove 100 templates from the list...and there is 25K to go...and it's like oi vey.

But yes, any help would be appreciated. For cats, I try to narrow cats as much as I can. I try to follow the "5 rule", which means that a set of templates gets its own cat if there are 5 or more of the same ones. And if there is a navbox in both a main template cat (say Category:American football templates) and a navbox cat (say Category:American football navigational boxes), I'll remove it from the main template cat because of redundancy. That's been my main battle in terms of reorganization. Lots of redundancy. But if you have other ideas, go for it. I really just want to get them all categorized. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 02:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep I'd concur with that. The list is just so massive. I mean I've categorized well over 2,000 templates using those lists...and look how many we have to go. So yeah. More help the better. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 04:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! :) I think once we go live with it, maybe we should use WikiProject: Template Category Cleanup? I say that because we already have this with a similar name. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

OK I'll take a look. And there are lots and lots of unused templates that are just out there. I'm an admin so if you see any unused ones, I can just delete them. Some are unused but are there are placeholders. 99% of them are just useless. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 02:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

One thing to mention is that you can't really put the speedy tag on templates. Why? Because there are very few templates that meet the criteria, which are here. Generally, if the template is unused or used by just one user, you can subst them and then put the speedy tag on and it will probably be deleted. If it's used by more than one user (such as Template:User_language, then it's best to go to the templates for deletion page and go that route. I say this because it's our general policy...and you are much less likely to anger people that way. :) Just a tip. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 04:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I subst and deleted User a68-0. As for User language, I'd suggest sending it to TfD. I was going to do it for you but you are more versed in user templates than I am. Can probably argue it a bit better. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 04:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:usbk

As much as I hate to say it, I don't recall adding that function. I only added the "nt" function, which gets rid of table syntax (useful if there's only one box). And while your making babel/user boxes, check out my new tool, at [2]. Regards, The Userboxer^Complain/_ubx 01:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

With a little more work, perhaps I can get it onto facebook. If you want, you may have my credentials for facebook, but I prefer to send it through more private method, such as e-mail. As for the categories for the template, I'll take a look, but since I am editing from my school, it may be a while before any changes are made. Regards, The Userboxer^Complain/_ubx 13:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

After taking a closer look, the following code should work:
{{usbk|template name|categories=categroy name}}.
Somehow, the syntax got messed up and it prevented it from working. See if it works now. The Userboxer^Complain/_ubx 13:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

As much as I would like to implement it, I don't think the syntax is a good idea. For now, I'm not going to implement it, because the design of the template prevents it. Since the template is designed to display other templates, there is no way that I can remove categories. It's not possible. To remove categories would mean having to implement the (in my opinion, flawed) feature of removing the templates from the originals. There is no easy way to circumvent this caveat, other than to copy and paste the original markup from each template (which, as we all know, is possible but unlikely).

Concerning the facebook project, I have to look into it further. Facebook has its own platform, and to host an application would require not only the code itself, but a database to store the user profiles (which is possible, but far more difficult than a simple userbox generator). Regards, The Userboxer^Complain/_ubx 20:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

There is no way to do that, I'm afraid. You'll have to supply the template with specific parameters (see the documentation for how to do this). My knowledge of MediaWiki does not go beyond ParserFunctions and template syntax, so there may be a hidden method somewhere try (something like Wikipedia:Magic words?), but that's beyond me. Regards, The Userboxer^Complain/_ubx 23:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, BBCode is easy, you just use the str_replace function. But MediaWiki's markup for bold and italic have the same starting and ending tags, so I have to mess around with operators and wildcards.... And by the way, what forum do you admin? Just wondering. The Userboxer^Complain/_ubx 20:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template 201

Some of this might be stuff you know. Apologies if it is. When you go to "What links here" for a template, you will see entries marked "transclusion". This means that the template is just listed as ({{MLB}} as an example) on the page in question. It's basically referring to the template but the only text on the page using the template is {{MLB}} not the text of the template. Well when you add the letters "subst" to the template (in this case, making the template {{subst:MLB}} it converts the template from referring to the template to the text of the template itself. When you do this, you are no longer using the template page itself. So it's now unused on that page. so in cases such as a68-0, subst'ing the only pages using the template were pages which had subst the template.

Why subst? Well if you don't, what ends up on the page when you delete a template is a redlink.

If this doesn't make sense, this page has a good explanation of how and why we subst. It's a very good practice to get into, especially for userpage templates, which are often single use. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 04:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. Just making sure. I know that I was absolutely clueless about subst even when I became an admin. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Okey doke. You can always email me as well. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

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[edit] Subpages

[edit] Categories

[edit] Post Above Here - Uncategorized threads

[edit] {{User:PatPeter/User nohomosexualrights}}

Please do not create divisive userboxes solely for the purpose of making a point, as you did with {{User:PatPeter/User noqueerrights}}. From your accompanying dismissive explanation of "why I can make this userbox," it's quite clear that you created this solely to make a point and stir up the pot. Actions like this are antithetical to our community effort, and serve no purpose other than to disrupt. --Krimpet 01:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

So tell me, since what you say is also true for the userboxes I mentioned, will you delete them? -PatPeter 01:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The existence, or lack thereof, of other userboxes is irrelevant -- creating divisive opposing-view userboxes solely to make a point about other userboxes is disruptive and somewhat juvenile. Wikipedia is a project to build an encyclopedia; creating controversy through tit-for-tat userboxes only serves to hinder these goals. --Krimpet 02:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not trying to make a point about other userboxes. Your thoughts on opposing-view userboxes is too flexible. Take a abortion userbox, if I say I am anti-abortion then you would say that is opposing-view, but what if I changed it to pro-life, then that is supporting-view. So what if I made a userbox that said "This user supports gay rights suppresion". Your views contain a lot of bigotry in the fact that you say that my userbox is divisive, but that the opposite view may be divisive to those who share my view. -PatPeter 19:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with 'opposing' view, it's to do with divisive tempates. Please see WP:CSD#T1 - Alison ☺ 19:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

"This applies only to pages in the Template: namespace" so your comment is void. -PatPeter 20:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

See WP:USER#Inappropriate_content. You are essentially arguing that if we have a 'pro gay' userbox we should have an 'anti gay' userbox. There is 'logic' to that in the sense of balance, but there are two problems;

1. A 'pro gay' userbox does not inherently denounce or insult any group of people. An 'anti gay' userbox inherently does. Maybe some wording could be drawn up which would keep the box from being 'against some group', but it is always going to be an issue of concern.
2. You went with "queer" in your wording. That's obviously intended as a slur and takes away any claim of 'impartial balance' here. The userbox is clearly meant to be offensive to some people.

Userboxes on potentially controversial topics (e.g. abortion) are allowed in userspace. Speech offensive and insulting to other groups is not. So, you could have a userbox saying 'this user is pro life', but not a userbox saying, 'this user opposes baby killers'. Wikipedia also doesn't allow illegal content, copyright violations, or 'material which could bring the project into disrepute' (e.g. support for pedophilia and the like) on userpages.

An indefinite block for arguing this point may be excessive, but the userbox in question IS against Wikipedia's policies and you DO need to accept and acknowledge that if you want to continue editing. --CBD 12:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No I didn't use "Queer" in my userbox, that is what that other user Tila-something put. -PatPeter 20:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It's in the name, isn't it? See Queer to understand why the term is pejorative. Fine, if you self-identify as queer, by way of reclaiming the word, but not otherwise. - Alison ☺ 20:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I was just editing my message to say that I didn't know that the term was pejorative in the manner that it was used for {{User queersupport}}, if I knew that I obviously wouldn't have used it. -PatPeter 20:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

"... I obviously would have used it." - please tell me that was a typo - Alison ☺ 20:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much Alison God, of course that was a typo, thank you. -PatPeter 20:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Sexuality user templates
Category:Political view user templates

There, now could someone please help me make an acceptable userbox? I mean come on the "This user supports homosexuality, etc" is soapboxing. -PatPeter 17:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Anyone? -PatPeter 04:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh my the userbox I have been trying to make is right here: {{User:Chrishy man/Creations/Nongaynonsupporter}}. Why hasn't this user been blocked and his userbox deleted?! -PatPeter 21:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

Looking at your prior history, I see you have repeatedly and persistently been disrupting this project. Only 8% of your contributions have been to articles, while 48% have been to userspace; this indicates to me that your primary objective on Wikipedia is to disruptively expound your personal views, rather than contribute to the encyclopedia. You have already been blocked in the past for massively disrupting Wikipedia with false suicide threats; despite being given a second chance, you have continued your disruptive activity. You have been blocked from Wikipedia indefinitely. --Krimpet 20:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I have been asked to review this block. I do not have time to look into it in detail and will be away for two weeks. Hopefully this will sort itself out before I get back. Regarding the investigation of edits above I would like comment on User talk:Krimpets calculation of 48% user space edits which has lead to the block. It looks as though the report of PatPeters contributions is misleading. If you look at the sumary at the top there 650+872 are userspace edits. If we look at the tables of the number of edits by userspace and add up these a different story is present. Summing up all the edits in User: and User talk: I tally up a very different total. Approximately 439/2623 = 16% edits to User space including 209 own edits to own talk page. Can someone check this out in more detail please, because this is very different from 48% userspace. What is important to to identify responses to own talk page questions, and remove minor edits. --Zven (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this block. Krimpet is exagerating. Doktor Who 20:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The impolite unblock request above notwithstanding, I cannot readily detect disruption by this user, and would appreciate some examples in the form of diffs. How is making edits to (admittedly useless) userbox templates disruptive? I will ask the blocking admin to comment. Sandstein 20:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I was asked to comment on this block, and although I can't see what the disruptive edits were, I notice that PatPeter has made 3,425 edits overall, but only 293 to articles, so that does indicate there's a problem. I'd suggest that anyone who disagrees with the block discuss it further with the blocking admin. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are we getting these totals of 3425 from in PatPeters contributions? See my post above (diff) --Zven (talk) 20:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, maybe it is from edits that are deleted which is only privy to adminstrators --Zven (talk) 01:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Also in response to the "your primary objective on Wikipedia is to disruptively expound your personal views", wrong, I edit my userpage a lot no harm in that, I try to describe myself, try to map out what I can contribute to. -PatPeter 20:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

If I may make a comment, I feel this unblock is unfair against PatPeter. First of all, which policy says if a user contests a block more than two times, his talk page is to be protected? Also, I agree with Sandstein in that I have seen no signs of, quote, "...massively disrupting Wikipedia with false suicide threats...." when I can't see anything of the kind around April, 2007. Unless, of course, these edits are in his deleted contributions. Instead, it looks like he had a bout with an anon (81.132.75.131 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)) about this, concurrent with the anon vandalizing PatPeter's userpage (see this diff). I don't know, but someone should review both PatPeter's and the anon's cotribs and deleted contribs to see what really happened, and if PatPeter did make a suicide threat, what made it so disruptive? Then post here and get this over with. I don't know if the "no queer rights" userbox qualifies for an indef block, so perhaps that could be looked into as well. And, quoting Sandstein, "How is making edits to (admittedly useless) userbox templates disruptive?" If you do want to block him for the userbox, I don't think WP:POINT is applicable. He sure didn't say "I don't support rights for gay people" on the Main Page, now did he?
--FastLizard4 (Talk•Links•Sign) 02:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, everyone disagrees with this block, demon has even shown POV aspects in his comments saying that he personally doesn't like me, have another admin review my block. -PatPeter 17:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Everyone? That's going a bit far. I support this block for the original reasons given by Krimpet. Orderinchaos 02:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Doktor Who, Sandstein and Fastlizard disagree with the block to some extent, as compared to you Orderinchaos and Krimpet. -PatPeter 04:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

All I want is to be able to help the project to the best of my abilities. When have I hurt the project? I only made the sock puppet and used my friend's account out of good faith. -PatPeter 04:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to have to say Pat does Not deserve this. The only time we had a conflict of interests, he worked it out with me and we ended up somewhat like friends. For one, if he cares so much to maintain this page despite the adversity he faces, he obviously is exibiting enough passion for the project to not be blocked. For two, his politically uncorrect statements (sorry, but some of them were) are by no means prohibited from Wikipedia, and as such cannot be used as grounds for banning. Three: Just because he likes to keep his userpage so neat as to use "48%" of his edits on it, dosn't mean he hasn't made any contributions to the well-being of Wikipedia, I mean, he isn't using it like it's a myspace. Yes, I know I have been idle on the Wiki for a while, but that is a direct result of working while in sophomore year of high school. I highly suggest that this user's block cease to exist and that this discussion be reviewed by an administrator of no relation (friendship, past discussion, etc.) to the administrator who has previously taken control of this discussion. → p00rleno (lvl 89) ←ROCKS^C_RS 16:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

"No intent to contribute to encyclopedia"?

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Well since I am just a puppet master shouldn't all my images be deleted? -PatPeter 16:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I've decided to review your request, since I'm unbiased, and only know what I see above. I'll give you a few questions to answer;

• If unblocked, can you:

• Edit normally, without disrupting, regardless of how you feel about other editors and their beliefs
• Accept ruling from administrators and cooperate fully if asked to

Also, can you read through WP:SOAP and make sure you understand what Wikipedia is for and what it isn't for?

I'll watch for your reply. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was editing normally before Krimpet blocked me, I would like to point out that I have never tried to Soupbox, and I know what it is. I just wanted the right to state my view in a non-insulting way, which I tried to do and had my box deleted every time. But if a box of the opposite opinion cannot exist then that means the existing opinion is soupboxing (because only that opinion exists on WP). Of course another user has made a box that I was trying to make. Is that user blocked? Is that box deleted? I would never go to another user's page and say "You're gay, the Bible says I should kill you" (in case you are wondering Leviticus 20:13), nor have I. As User:Sox207 I made a number of good edits to But I'm a Cheerleader, even though that movie is gay-based. I cooperated with the admins the last time I was blocked, so I wouldn't not cooperate this time. -PatPeter 02:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Considering sock-IPs have continued to be blocked in the name of PatPeter, (within the last month) I would not suggest unblocking without a notice and discussion on AN/I first. Regardless of PatPeter's wishes, those who are familiar with his antics should be aware of the request. - auburnpilot talk 02:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

They will try to overwhelm me, I have gotten into arguments with other users (or admins), and I win. I disprove their logic only for them to sulk off or block me (is the fact that I win at least a few arguments so hard to believe?). And all IP addresses have been in good faith. -PatPeter 02:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm also coming here as an unbiased admin. I start making the most benign verifications and I see a one-month old blocked sock-account. Hard to trust you in light of that. I'd recommend keeping the block in place. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 04:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I goofed on the dates. Still, blatant lies like this don't instill confidence. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 04:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

That is because I had given up hope at that point for this account and the unblock. I was afraid of rejection, until User:Jc37 mentioned a possibility for an unblock at I think User talk:The Big X. -PatPeter 16:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some requested info

See User talk:Sox207 and rather specifically at User talk:The Big X for admissions of what they claim was/is going on. (You may have to look in the page histories, due to blanking and redirects, etc.) Since then it's been a stream of IP addresses and usernames. (User:Babelious, for example.) See also User talk:Gscshoyru (scroll down to "Reply") for another set of disruptions. (Special:Contributions/Pagesock seems to be WP:DENY issues, and is probably the person as well.) Also note that a big part of the user being banned was apparently a suicide note/threat. There's more, but that's probably enough for now. - jc37 11:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I notice that you are still using the images I still uploaded as The Big X. Shouldn't those be deleted? I have made nothing but good faith attempts in these sockpuppets, I just want to edit.

Might I say that Gscshoyru was out of line, he was never able to cite in Wikipedia policy how I was "vandalizing" the wiki. And since when do debates count as disruption? How about I block you next time a user confronts you?

Oh and to comment on the deletion of the non-gay non-supporter userbox: the gay supporter userboxes are now soapboxing, because the opposite opinion does not exist. -PatPeter 16:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

As Jpgordon has already commented, I'd like to point out that this editor has been socking fairly intensively and has been editing extensively under an IP address up until ... well, a few hours ago - Alison ^❤ 22:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)