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Contents 1 VfD Debate 2 Sources 3 VP Desai, "Bharat ke Chaudhary" 4 Rate of Patels? 5 List of Patels 6 Ethnicity 7 Merge with Patil? 8 Fixing the "citiation needed sections" 9 Patel does not equal to Patidar! 10 too many fuckin patels!!!!

[edit] VfD Debate

This article was kept after this VfD debate. Sjakkalle 14:26, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This article is full of interesting stuff, but it doesn't cite sources. There's only one source mentioned, next to "Bharat ke Chaudhary," but the link is dead and there seems to be some sort of broken citation tag that I lack the sophistication to fix (other than removing it, which would have felt a little bit hypocritical). I added the "This article does not list its references or sources" banner at the top. If some clever editor could provide some sources for this material, the rest of us would be grateful. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 21:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VP Desai, "Bharat ke Chaudhary"

On 01:38, 25 August 2006, anon IP 68.154.33.6 added a reference to the book Bharat ke Chaudhary by VP Desai. I can't find any evidence of its existence outside of Wikipedia. Help anyone? --Adamrush 03:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rate of Patels?

In the 'Patels in Britain' section, it says "rate of Patels." Although I am not a geographer, I think it is a bit ironic to use the word rate. Bhaveer 19:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Patels

Should the List of Patels be its own page? A search of wikipedia shows that the list on this page isn't nearly exhaustive. Akubhai 20:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity

I tried to clean it up a little but most of it doesn't cite sources and doesn't make sense. It should probably be erased and started over. Akubhai 17:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Patil?

Maybe we should merge with Patil - Patel is just a variant of Patil. — Stevey7788 (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

No objection here. --Adamrush 02:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Assuming they are just variants of each other, no objection here either Akubhai 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing the "citiation needed sections"

How do we go about fixing this article? Can I just remove the sentences that are tagged "citation neeeded" and start over again? rahul 23:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patel does not equal to Patidar!

I was surprised when clicking on the link Patidar brought me to page dedicated to Patel. Patel is not a caste as Kanbis or Patidars are trying to claim be. The use of lastname Patel cut across castes, religions and regions. I think the claim by Kanbi caste (both the Leuva and Kadwa) of Gujarat on name Patel is just one of the process within Hindu caste system to paint themselves holier than thou (Sanskritization process as its called in India) by adapting to high sounding name for their caste. However, in rural South Gujarat which account for 40% Koli population the last name is used by, beside Kolis, Dhodia, ST and Muslims. Even large number of Kanbis or Patidars do not use Patel as their last name. In other parts of Gujarat the last name Patel is used by members of other castes.

Hence, this page is totally misleading in terms of defining surname Patel as it seems the page has been created solely by members of Kanbi caste to paint themselves as Patels. Dcpatel (talk) 21:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I have also learned that the first wave of farmers invited by the kings of North Gujarat were called Kanabis. These Kanabis were immigrants from the farm lands of the Punjab lured to Gujarat with the promise of the free land. The king had land, the kanabis had skill. The kanabis told the kings the stories of beautiful fair complexioned ladies of the Punjab. The kings brought some of these women as their mistresses. The children of these mistresses were flesh and blood of the kings. They were given five villages or six villages of land to cultivate with the full ownership. These descendants have more of greek features in them as compared to the kanabis. They are taller, lighter in skin complexion, and display aura of landlords. I had read this in 1987 in a scholarly journal published by Gujarat University branch in Ahmedabad. I wish I had written down the source. And now I cannot reference it without the publication details. On my next visit to India, I will try to find it. The strange aftermath is that those descendants beget by the mistresses look down on the kanabis as inferior and of lower status.

[edit] too many fuckin patels!!!!

There is just too god damn many of them!