Talk:Pasta fagioli

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Contents 1 Navy beans 2 Reversion by User:Badagnani 3 Origins of dish 4 External link policy

[edit] Navy beans

Can navy beans be used? Badagnani (talk) 03:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion by User:Badagnani

Could you please explain your reversion of my edits? My edits were explained in the edit summary; you had no edit summary. --Macrakis (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The grammar and usage of single quotes was not good, and too much was arbitrarily removed. Badagnani (talk) 18:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing was "arbitrarily" removed. The external link was removed following WP:EL policy. For the rest, the language was tightened up without removing any content. I replaced contracted words like "don't" with the standard written form "do not". I removed the redundant (and poorly phrased) "that is now a frequent menu item throughout the world" since the next sentence says "today it can be widely found, even in restaurants that don't feature Italian cuisine". I replaced the wordy and awkward "The consistency of the dish can vary, as some renditions fall clearly in the soup category, usually because the tomato was left out, while others are much thicker." with "The consistency of the dish can vary from a soup, usually without tomato, to a stew-like thickness." which says the same thing with better wording.

You may disagree with some of these changes, but a blanket revert seems inappropriate. I will start by removing the external link to a non-notable recipe and await your discussion of the rest. --Macrakis (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of dish

Similar dishes may have been around before Columbus, but both cannellini and borlotti beans (not to mention tomatoes) are New World. It would be interesting to know how the dish was made earlier. --Macrakis (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External link policy

The external links that were previously in the article (links to some recipe site with no particular claim to authoritativeness) and which have now been added to this article (links to image searches on flickr) do not follow relevant WP policy. The flickr links count as "Links normally to be avoided" both because they are search results pages (point 9) and social networking sites (point 10).

I certainly agree that good photos are desirable, but that's not the way to do it. Also, I'd appreciate your not using the word "blanking" (which normally refers to vandalism) rather than simply "deleting".

I will not revert, simply because I try to follow the zero-revert rule. --Macrakis (talk) 14:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

A scan of the "free" photos of this dish at Flickr shows that none of them is optimal; the best ones are not released under free licenses. It doesn't prevent any one of us, however, from writing to any of the Flickr photographers and asking for their permission to use one of their photos; when this is done, the Flickr photo links could certainly be removed, as would be reasonable. Badagnani (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that is a reasonable thing to do. --Macrakis (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There is such great variation in the appearance of the dishes in the Flickr photographs (under both spellings) that I'm not sure which should be presented as the representative photo in our article. I'd like to ask for other editors' expert assistance in going through all the Flickr photos and selecting the most representative photo, which we can then ask the photographer's permission to use. Badagnani (talk) 20:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)