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This article includes the following passage:

After the Battle of Crete, it was agreed that Britain would need paratroopers for similar operations. No 2 Commando were tasked with specialising in air borne assault.

Britain’s first airborne assault took place on February 10, 1941, ... Operation Colossus.

Which is all well and good, except that Op COLOSSUS occurred some 2 months before the battle of Crete.

Regards Bloody Sunday, I have re-inserted information re the shooting from behind of sveral of the dead and injured. I have also linked this information. It is also freely available on the Bloody Sunday article within Wikipedia. I don't understand why it was simply deleted from the page, it is a relevant element of both Bloody Sunday and therefore of the history of the Parachute Regiment. I consider any further attempt to delete it, without first engaging in considered and objective discussion, as vandalism and will report it thus. Liam Evans

Further to above, the edited amendments which I inserted re Bloody Sunday were substantially removed, including supporting external links. This substantial removal, rather than thoughtful editing, coupled with the fact that they are anonymous edits, means that I have no opportunity to discuss this issue with the other party. An amicable dispute resolution is not possible when an editor hides behind the mask of anonymity, so I am forced to progress to the next stage of Wikipedia's resolution mechanism and therefore report what I perceive to be vandalism. Liam Evans

The Bloody Sunday article contains the information, it does not need to be repeated in depth here. You may wish to add something to this article to stress the nature of the Bloody Sunday incident and its ramifications if you do not think it is obvious. GraemeLeggett 19:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the viewpoint. What you say is valid, in that the information I included in also available on the Bloody Sunday page. However, what I provided wa a synopsis of some elements of the day. As such, a summation of information elsewhere provided is a valid methid of editing this page on the Parchute Regiment. My intention is not to duplicate, merely to summarise for those readers who may not be inclined to read the full content of the Bloody Sunday page. I do not infer that my comments are exhaustive of the incident, a summary of other issues of the day can also be provided by others, youself included. Just because information may be duplicated, or summarised, elsewhere in Wikipedia is not, in my opinion, a valid reason for removal of information posted/edited by me. I understood that editing would occur for reasons of extra information, to correct invalid information, or to ehnance the legibility of a particular article. I would not remove information, espcially that which concisely summarised a facet of a particular event, on the grounds that the information is available elsewhere. Liamevans 21:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 "set Europe ablaze" 2 Edited introductory sentance 3 Red Devils 4 Beret Colour 5 Parachute regiment organisation 6 Where is 7 RHA and the TA Battalions? 7 Famous ex-paras? 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Abtfgame.jpg 9 Verification 10 Could use copy-edit

[edit] "set Europe ablaze"

have removed this quotation as believe this refers to the setting up of the Special Operations Executive not the Paras. Cefas 17:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edited introductory sentance

Changed the introductory sentance to - "The Parachute Regiment is the airborne infantry element of the British Army. It is considered an elite unit by virtue of its stringent selection process and rigourous training programme.". The former paragraph was bordering on rude POV to parachute troops and was written in tangled English. I have edited it for clarity and NPOV. It stated that the british parachute regiment (as with many other parachute troops from other armies) considered itself eltite - suggesting that was a view asserted only in its own eyes.

The Para regiment is considered an elite both by itself, the army, navy, airforce, the public and the government of the UK and many other nations. As with most elite units this is because of its tough selection and training process - i have updated the introductory text to reflect this. Should anyone feel the urge to revert it please post your reasoning here. Also i made minor changes like calling it 'airborne infantry' rather than infantry element of airborne forces of the british army.

• Support Elite status. 1 Para is to further assist and work with the SAS. Also the Paras feed the SAS with the most recruits. This further cements their status as an elite force.--128.98.1.11 09:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Devils

'Red Devils' is the name given only to The Parachute Regiment parachute display team. I will remove this from 'nicknames' in the infobox unless anyone can prove otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Or apparently removing it without waiting for proof. The nickname seems to be in general use. [1] GraemeLeggett 11:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find that "Red Devils" was a nickname given to British Paras during WW2 because of thier Maroon berets and exploits. I think these days it's used mainly to refer to the display team, but the nickname was not origionaly used to just refer to them.

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The Red Devils was indeed the nickname given to them by Axis Forces in WWII. --Pandaplodder 18:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beret Colour

Changed the false and general statement 'unlike the rest of the Infantry who wear Olive Green Berets.' Some Infantry regiments [Devonshire and Dorset Light Infantry, Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Light Infantry, Light Infantry, Royal Green Jackets, Royal Gurkha Rifles] wear Rifle Green berets, but there is no 'standard colour' as this statement would seem to suggest.

someone changed it back again... so i changed it back. what i said above is correct - some infantry regiments wear OG berets, but not all of them.

The beret article states clearly who wears what colour beret - regiments of light infantry and rifles wear a rifle green beret; regiments of foot guards (and some other line infantry) wear a khaki beret. All other English and Welsh infantry wear navy blue, unless they are a specialist (i.e. airborne (maroon), commando (green)). Scottish and Irish infantry wear traditional headgear (caubeen, glengarry etc). Hammersfan 05/06/06, 12.35 BST

regardless of what the Beret article says, i dont think the Paras article should contain information contradictory to the other.

[edit] Parachute regiment organisation

I have come to this page seeking specific information on how the Parachute regiment tactically works in combat. For example, I have not heard of the Parachute regiment using vehicles such as Warriors to train with, and yet presumably they must work with some kind of vehicle support.

It would be nice to have a typical Parachute platoon/section broken down so we can see whether they operate with vehicles, how they are organised in fireteams etc. At the moment, there is very little information on how they operate. Presumably this is common knowledge and not classified as these details are available on other elements of the British army.

Can someone please add this information to the article?

Going from personal conversations here - but the Parachute Regiment works like a normal Infantry unit, with the same section/platoon/company structure... they don't operate with vehicles in the main because they are trained and used for airborne (parachute from planes) or air assault (helicopter) missions. Horus Kol 12:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where is 7 RHA and the TA Battalions?

I might have missed something in the recent re-organisations of the Army, but didn't 7 RHA used to be part of the Parachute regiment? And also 9 and 10 PARA (TA) seem to be missing... Horus Kol 12:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

No - 7 RHA, the answer there is in the title Royal Horse Artillery, 7 RHA were part of 5 ABN Bde and now part of 16 Air Assault Bde but being part of a Airborne Bde does not make a unit part of the Parachute Regiment.

TA units are covered and also ahve their own entry. --Pandaplodder 18:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous ex-paras?

Should there be a link here to ex-paras who have other exploits, or is that not appropriate? The two I know of are Chay Blyth and John Ridgway (sailor). Presumably there are some others? Kert01 16:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Korporaal1 (talk) 20:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC) I think lieutenant colonel Sir John Frost deserves to be in the Famous Paras section. He commanded a Para Bn for most of the war, led the Bruneval raid and commanded the only bn that actually made it to the Arnhem Bridge. We've also got a new bridge in Arnhem now that's actually named after the bloke! Idea?

unknown- What about danny rampling (Famous DJ) Member of 10 para —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.48.222 (talk) 19:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Abtfgame.jpg

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[edit] Verification

To the dynamic ip beginning with 79.19., I will protect this article from being edited by anonymous or newly-created accounts if unsourced material continues to be reinserted into this article. Specifically:

That this incident occured on a Sunday, echoing the original bloody Sunday in Southern Ireland, pointed to at least some degree of deliberate intention.

Challengeable, controversial material must be attributed to reliable and reputable sources otherwise it will be removed/reverted. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for original research and theory. SoLando (Talk) 14:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Could use copy-edit

Incomplete and forced sentences are making this article difficult to read. Especially towards the ned the style becomes very distracting. Unfortunately, I am no good with copy-edit, and at least couple sentences needs more than just copy-edit, since they end up half-way through. --194.197.79.18 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)